Don't Want to Pay for Abortion Coverage? I Don't Want to Pay For (Fill In The Blank)

Due to my circumstances...I consider myself an educated woman...well educated. I have lived in proverty all my life. People believe proverty is lacking money. I found my real proverty is lacking rights. The taking away of my rights have force me to stay in proverty.

I got married. We have children. Welfare paid for the birth of my first child. I asked the counselor to help me get my tubes tied. I was told welfare would not pay for the preceedure due to the idea that I was only with one child. I only wanted one child especially upon my first being a boy. I have always considerate adoption more for me. That was the second choice our government made on my behalf.

Today I have three children and I am pregnant with my fourth. I was planning to go back to school and all the fears that I had wanted to avoid with the idea of having my tubes tied...I have lived. People say opportunity exist but in truth for some people opportunity does not. It is not really a matter of education or even personal understanding it is a matter of pure politics and personal right.

I lack family support and therefore lived with my childhood lacking many rights and sufferring. I too, have a lot of good childhood memories. People say "Would you have wanted your parent to abort you?" My answer is yes even with my good childhood memories. It would have been a true mercy killing in my case. I am a Christian. I have been tortured within life. One of my parents are really selfish and do not want me. The angra of my birth is so deep within this parent that they enjoy making my life difficult. So, I would say...that aboration is as much a parental choice as it is a human choice.

There are so many reason's to choose to have an aboration. Mental health, physical health, economic well being and social well being. People who are given their rights do not understand the torture another may face who have their rights taken away. A privilege does not forge one the understanding of true political oppression. Politcal oppression may just be another urban myth to those of privilege. So, what we are really talking about is the freedom to choose your life. It begins with your freedom to choose your personal relationship with God. That also includes the choice not to have a personal relationship with God.

Christians are suppose to understand it is not man who leads the path to God. It is the Holy Spirit that leads the path to God. We as Christian human beings are just vessals belonging to God. It is not our human right to police our fellow man. The U.S. says were are to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility and provide for the common defense of ourselves and our prospertiy. That is what all of our constitutional rights are all about. Those who believe we should step on our constitution are not for our domestic tranquility or standing for common defense of every United States American Citizen. They stand only for the common defense of their special interest.

Thomas Jefferson is the arguement stating seperation of church and state. Letter Thomas Jefferson wrote in regards to this issue was never a political letter. The letter was a personal letter to a church concerned about Jefferson's socializing with a rival church. It was sent as a means of comfort. Jefferson stood on the idea that his personal beliefs may not always fit well with the importance of the
White House. This is the reason he did not run for a second term but instead choose to go back to Virgina to fight in what he personally believed as lawyer. Those who do not know their history will repeat it.

Our congress and politicians need to understand a personal belief, a social belief, a religious, political understanding may not always stand in agreement. A lot of my political views disagree with my religious views. Aboration is not a politcal understanding, it is a personal choice between an individual, God, and their personal circumstance. It is a personal right of the parent. It needs to stay a personal right of the parent.

Abraham took his son up to the hills to be sacraficed...and just when he was about to follow the commandment of God Abraham looked to a bush and God gave him what he needed to save his child's life. Abraham was lucky or we Christian's say..."he was blessed." So maybe there is room for a Christian to understand the idea of Mercy Killing. Not all children are to live a long life upon the earth. It is Holy Spirit that is given to a Christian to truly lead the way.

Sorry about the spelling and bad paragraph but I believe my message is sound. My girlfriend just read what I wrote...her question... why did I not get my tubes tied after my second or third child? My 2nd child was born with working family insurance. My husband's job took him away from the home for months at a time. So, he was not present during the birth of our 2nd child. Again without written consent from my husband, the hospital would not allow me to get my tubes tied. My third child was born while my husband was in military service. We made all the proper arrangements. I was unable to get to the delivery room and had my child at home, and in all the excitement staff never rescheduled the surgery to finish the delievery and have my tubes tied. I was exited out the military hospital and told to reschedule the appointment and again loop holes followed. Married woman do not have as many rights as people are lead to believe. So, I say before anyone makes a stand against a woman who may have an aboration we really need to understand woman issues and many important health issues.

Here is a prime example of the demise of government of the people , by the poeple, for the people. It has perished from this earth. Like most politicians, Mr Stupak knows what is best for the people and will proceed to shove it down their proverbial throats according to his own private beliefs. Mr Obama will have the "ball" soon, and I do hope he vetoes any Bill that supports this stupidity. We shall see if he is the President for the People, or the machine. Men have no right to decide for themselves what is right for Women! I said that.

Check my blogpost to see: http://harryfourthuniverse.blogspot.com/2010/01/no-abortions-with-your-t...

I'd rather taxes go to abortion coverage, rather than to a woman who WOULD HAVE aborted but can't afford it and instead feels she has no other choice than to go on welfare and have a 5th or 10th child.

*hopes this isn't offensive, as I can't articulate this in the way I wanted to*

It's pro-choice or NO choice.

What utter nonsense. No woman is obligated to have her 5th or 10th child because no woman is obligated to get pregnant with her 5th or 10th child. If a woman doesn't want a child, there's an absolutely fool-proof, 100% guaranteed way to make sure she doesn't get pregnant: don't have sex. Stop denying the logical reality that sex produces babies. Women need to start using their brains and exercise some self-control and responsibility.
It's completely asinine not to spend money on abstinence education because that is the only way to stop the spread of STD's and prevent unwanted pregnancy. The only way. The use of my tax dollars to pay for your abortions is completely unethical and wrong in every way. I want no part of your baby killing and you have no right to use my money in that way. If you're hell-bent on killing your child, you can damn well pay for it yourself.
I'd much rather spend money on people and organizations that will actually help a woman in need to realize that killing her baby is not the answer to her problems. I'd much rather spend money on people and organizations that respect human life as the sacred gift it is.

Abstinence is very realistic. I did it. It requires using your brain instead of other body parts. I care very much about women. I know quite well that abortion is harmful to women and not the "freedom" it is sold to be. I know that "casual" sex -- though there really is no such thing as casual sex because all sex is a big deal -- is destructive and possibly deadly. Women deserve better than that, so how to go about it? Oh, that's right. Don't have sex.
I care very much about women -- their hearts and souls as well as their bodies. I even care about the little tiny women who are being butchered in the womb.

Abstinence is very realistic. I did it.

So because you did it, that's proof it should be forced on others? That's REAL logical*sarcasm*

I care very much about women. I know quite well that abortion is harmful to women and not the "freedom" it is sold to be.

And I've seen enough to know the opposite about abortion. If not for that choice, one of my friends would be dead right now. If not for that choice, several women I know wouldn't be the wonderful women they are now. Everything happens for a reason, including abortions. To even say you care about women, then turn around and deny that abortion can be the best choice for some women makes me question your validity.

I know that "casual" sex -- though there really is no such thing as casual sex because all sex is a big deal -- is destructive and possibly deadly. Women deserve better than that, so how to go about it? Oh, that's right. Don't have sex.

It can be destructive, but that depends on the mental status of the woman and whether or not protection is used. Casual sex isn't the issue. The issue is the woman's mental status and whether or not she is being safe. Unsafe sex is the culprit, not casual sex. Or do you only view sex as a procreative act ONLY to be enjoyed by married couples?

I care very much about women -- their hearts and souls as well as their bodies. I even care about the little tiny women who are being butchered in the womb.

I'll believe it when I see it. So far I've seen you berate women who choose abortion and I've seen you berate women who like casual sex. That's not how you show you care.

And I wasn't aware there were tiny women living in random uteri and being slaughtered. You better tell Oprah of this discovery of yours. Female feoti are not yet women, as women are BORN ADULT females.

It's pro-choice or NO choice.

I did the abstinence thing too before I become engaged. I teach my kids abstinence. I try to keep up with all their health education within our public school system. I am a minorty. I am not a blended family. Blended and broken families are the majority. Everybody "who is suppose a good citizen" pays taxes...and my husband and I have paid more than our share. Abstinence for a young child is very good advice. Abstinence for a young unmarried adult may be considerate great advice. Beyond that...then what? No birth control may prove 100 percent effective for the population of our planet. That is a pure health care fact. Woman have been known to get their tubes tied and men have been known to get themselves taken care off. Sometimes doctors have said, "sorry nature does not want for you to have a child". Mother nature can decide the doctor is wrong or your conscious choice is worthless. A person may have all the children a person can manage. So, some people can see one or more of these facts as a blessing and others it is a shocker. Then there is violence and we all know what I am talking about without being graphic. There are parents who are told their child will be born with serious birth defects. Sometimes the abortion will prove less traumatic for all then the actual carrying to term, delivery, and the watching of an ill painfully suffering infant child taking a last breathe. Worst is a parent being told neither the child or the mother is expected to live through the delivery.  So an abortion just might be enough to save the life of the mother. So, in some cases an abortion can easily prove less expensive for the parent and the medical insurance industry and the tax payer. Abstinence do take a lot brain power but so does seeing the world as it really may exist. Not every person will always make the emotionally mature choice. Not every person may have the economic, physical or mental ability to make the emotionally mature choice. Sometimes an abortion may truly be the emotionally mature choice. The world is not perfect. We have politics and oppression. This is something I truly understand since I am very bad at politics and that even includes simple office politics. So before you use yourself as an example to why abstinence may work...you should understand somewhere in the world there may be another example of why abstinence really may not work.

P.S. in the above story...my mom has more than once told me I was wrong not to beat the system.  She has made it quite clear...I should have forged my husband signature on the documents to get my tubes tied and lied my butt off to the adminstration to get the job done.  In hind respect...I totally agree. That choice would have cause no discord within my marriage... but lying has never been a practice for me. So, lying in the spear of the moment is not something that immediately pops into my head. More importantly why should it have to be?

You actually need your husband's permission to have your tubes tied? How does that even make sense. I fully believe you, but it's despicable all the same.

Thank you for the debate in the comment section. I'm so glad there are people out there who force us to question and justify our positions.

I believe there is a place for encouraging abstinence only, and it would be ideal if it worked for all people, but unfortunately statistics don't support this. We need to deal with reality and not an ideology. In an ideal world we'd never have women suffer unwanted pregnancies, get raped, abused, or find their pregnancy puts their life at risk, or that their unborn child is to suffer from fetal birth defects of any kind. However, the fact is, these conditions do occur we must, as a society, deal with it.

Areas that teach abstinence only, and discourage the use of birth control have a higher teen pregnancy rate because teens have sex regardless of how much adults want to believe they don't.

I have two younger sisters. One at 16 went to her school nurse and was put on "the shot" for birth control without my parent's consent or knowledge. This was an emotionally mature decision she made in preparation for deciding to become sexually active. Without this service she most assuredly would have had sex anyway and put herself at risk for becoming pregnant before she was ready for the responsibility. Granted, birth control is not 100% effective, and there are women who face unwanted regardless of any precautions they take to protect themselves, but they become more rare when birth control is used.

There is nothing wrong with getting an abortion! Our economy is in the toilet right now and children are a huge financial burden on society. Children who are the product of unwanted pregnancies are often (not always, and it should not be assumed) neglected or abused because the parents unfairly blame the child for their financial or emotional stress, and this happens if the parents are married or not. Our society spends countless dollars on educating and supporting even middle class children who are not on welfare or medicaid. Compare this to the one time fee of aborting the pregnancy and providing reproductive education to women and there is no argument that paying for abortions and birth control are fiscally responsible options that all women should have access to.