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By Amanda Marcotte, RH Reality Check

November 29, 2009 - 11:49pm

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Mammograms and abortion distort the health care reform debate. Also, John Marcotte explains how he plans to protect the traditional family.

 

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On this episode of Reality Cast, I'll be interviewing John Marcotte about his efforts to ban divorce in California.  Also, I'll be talking up the role of boobies and other lady parts in the ongoing health care reform frenzy.

 

So the right wing organization the American Center for Law and Justice put out a trailer for their upcoming documentary chronicling the rise of the anti-choice movement.  See if you can spot what's interesting about all the people they have to interview. 

 

  • nuts *

 

Yep, all men. In fact, the only women you really see in the trailer are the pro-choicers, which creates this real sense that this movie is about a bunch of evil men that are so certain that they own women's bodies that they're willing to dedicate their lives to it.  Which is probably not the message they wanted to send, but is nonetheless accurate.

 

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Did you hear that a task force recently released a set of new recommendations for breast cancer screening?

 

  • boobies 1 *

 

Well, that was the reaction that the panel's findings received.  Personally, I was relieved to hear that the panel didn't really see a point in starting mammograms until you're 50 if you don't have any risk factors. I'm looking forward to 10 more years free of boobie-squishing.  Also, they found that self exams don't do much, which is a shame, but also means that most of us who forget to do them have less cause to beat ourselves up about it.  This whole story shouldn't really have been that big a deal, but it just so happened to come out right as right wingers are both raising false fears about health care rationing while also rationing your access to abortion.  And so a lot of people immediately grew concerned that this was about finding a way to cut back on health care at the expense of women's lives.

 

Concerned, or in the case of most of the conservatives trumpeting this, faux concerned for politically convenient reasons.  Opponents of health care reform immediately and falsely implied that this panel had created a binding recommendation that all people would have to live with under health care reform. For instance, David Horowitz and Glenn Beck pushed this lie. 

 

  • boobies 2 *

 

This is what we like to call in the biz a straight-up lie.  The Democrats have nothing to do with this independent panel's recommendation, and the HHS has already declared they're keeping the old standards in place.  The panel's recommendations were based in a desire to help women, because the current standards are creating too many false positives for every case of cancer detected, and that's no small thing, when you consider how false positives can sometimes result in painful or harmful treatment.  Also, the tests themselves are painful and give you a significant and dangerous dose of radiation.

 

But this reality hasn't stopped health care opponents from saying the most outrageous things about how the Democrats just made this up because they're stealing from you. Republican Rep. Marsha Blackburn went on TV and outright claimed that the HHS is behind this.  Luckily, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz was there to fight with her about it. 

 

  • boobies 3 *

 

The problem is that opponents of health care reform are allowed to just lie like this on TV without anyone stepping in to correct them, except other politicians, and so the audience is left splitting the difference.  In this instance, it was even more disturbing, because you had 3 people lying and only one person telling the truth.  It was unbelievably frustrating to watch.

 

Of course, no cavalcade of dishonesty is complete lately without Sarah Palin hopping in. 

 

  • boobies 4 *

 

In fact, the only threat of taking people's actual care they currently have away is one that Palin and her buddies support, the Stupak-Pitts amendment, which does get between you and your right to abortion care.  But of course, Palin, like all the rest is lying about this.  The government has made it clear they're sticking to the 40 plus recommendation.  What's interesting is the bigger lie that's being pushed, the idea that more women will die of breast cancer if we pass health care reform.  In fact, the opposite is true.  Right now, if you don't have health insurance and you get breast cancer, good luck with that.  What reform will do is make sure that women who currently aren't getting screened or treated because they can't afford it will get that care. 

 

Mammograms aren't the only kind of cancer screening that's being reconsidered in light of new evidence about the dangers of false positives.  Another panel indicated that cervical cancer screenings could also be less frequent, which some conservatives used to lie and fear monger. 

 

  • boobies 5 *

 

This is doubly dishonest, because younger women who are at risk of cervical cancer are even less likely to see a doctor regularly because of lack of health insurance.  Also, the same conservative voices that are suddenly so concerned about cervical cancer were singing a different tune with the HPV vaccine was invented, and the religious right faced losing an entire STD to scare kids with. But to be fair, right wingers aren't hitting this note as much. That's probably because they know they're simply not going to reach younger women with this scare-mongering, and are more interested in playing to older people who have been falsely told that Medicare is threatened.

 

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Now the Senate has started to debate health care reform, and the good news is, as expected, while the Senate is generally more conservative than the House overall, there is a much lower chance of seeing an explicit ban on private abortion funding like the Stupak-Pitts amendment.  Which means, you guessed it, another round of anti-choice hysteria and lies.  Bill O'Reilly is leading the dishonesty charge. 

 

  • abortion 1 *

 

This is a blatant lie, of course.  If Stupak-Pitts is stripped, there will not be any federal funding of abortion.  All that will change is that women who buy private insurance through the health care exchange, most of whom will have some subsidies to do so, will maintain privately-funded abortion coverage.  Privately funded.  There is no way that federal dollars will be going to abortion. That's already explicitly banned by the Hyde Amendment. 

 

Now make no mistake.  The Hyde Amendment is a very bad thing, and it's incoherent, too.  The idea behind it that anti-choicers have a special right not to pay taxes for something because they don't like.  The rest of us, however, have to pay for all sorts of things we don't like, such as killing actual people in war.  Which is to say that the Hyde Amendment puts Sperm Magic on a higher pedestal than any other thing in our society, bar none.  That's a lot of penis power right there.

 

Still, the Stupak-Pitts amendment does the Hyde Amendment one worse, because it prevents private companies from using private money to pay for women's private medical decisions.  But defenders of it are denying that this is true and implying that it's more limited than that. For instance, here's Steve Doocy lying on Fox & Friends.

 

  • abortion 2 *

 

Ha!  I wish they banned federal money from ending a life.  That would mean an immediate pull out from Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as an end to the federal death penalty.  What he said has no actual relationship to the Stupak-Pitts amendment, which very specifically bans insurance companies from using private funds to cover abortions for women receiving subsidies to buy health insurance. But nice how Doocy inadvertently revealed that the only "life" that counts to anti-choicers is that of non-sentient fetuses.

 

Bart Stupak has been burning the midnight oil at one thing and one thing only, which is misleading the public on what it is exactly that his amendment does.  And many so-called journalists are letting him do it, even when he's not on the Fox Propaganda Network.  For instance, Chris Matthews let Stupak lie on air. 

 

  • abortion 3 *

 

See?  Blew right past that blatant lie without batting an eyelash, even though I do believe that Matthews is technically pro-choice.  Stupak-Pitts is not consistent with current law.  It expands it, and this means that abortions that would be covered under current law will not be covered in the future.  That's a change, and therefore is not consistent with current law.

 

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And now for the Wisdom of Wingnuts, let's make that subtext the text edition. I've been saying for months now that a lot of the opposition to health care reform can be best understood if you see that the opponents are afraid they'll have to sit in waiting rooms next to poor people and people of color. Well, leave it to Lamar Alexander to nearly come right out and say that.

 

  • Medicaid *

 

Yep, he just compared universal health care to forcing so-called Real Americans to live in a ghetto.  Nothing racist about that, no sir.

 

 


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It's so nice to hear some sanity injected into the mammogram recommendations and abortion in healthcare reform. The interview with John Marcotte was hilarious! I hope to get the opportunity to vote on it next year.

Submitted by Hekate on November 30, 2009 - 9:08pm.

"Personally, I was relieved to hear that the panel didn't really see a point in starting mammograms until you're 50 if you don't have any risk factors. I'm looking forward to 10 more years free of boobie-squishing."
For YEARS, women on both sides of the political equation have been working to ENSURE that women OVER FORTY are screened frequently in order to catch breast cancer early before it reaches a stage at which it is difficult to treat. Now, we're being told by some governing body that "oops, it's not that important after all," just as that benefit is about to be expanded? Come on.
And "boobies" and "booby squishing"?  Are you still in the third grade? How immature is that?
"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on November 30, 2009 - 9:42pm.

The recommendation, which is only for women with NO KNOWN RISK FACTORS, is explained in detail here:

 

http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/3rduspstf/breastCancer/brcanrr.htm

 

But here's an excerpt on that particular point:

 

Earlier subgroup analyses from these mammography trials raised questions about whether screening is effective in women younger than 50. Seven trials enrolled women aged 40-49. Six of these were rated by the USPSTF to be of at least "fair" quality, but only one of these was designed to specifically address the benefits of screening in this age group: it reported no reduction in breast cancer mortality with annual mammography and CBE.18,20 Of the remaining five fair-quality trials that included women younger than 50, one trial has reported significant mortality reduction with screening in this age group,4,13 three have reported non-significant mortality reductions,4,12,15,16 and one found no benefit.14 In a meta-analysis performed for the USPSTF pooling results for women aged 40-49 in the six fair-quality trials, the summary relative risk of breast cancer mortality was 0.85 (95 percent CI, 0.73-0.99) among screened women after 13 years of observation.2 These results are similar to prior meta-analyses based on older data.

Because these data represent a subgroup analysis of trials not designed to test the benefits of beginning screening at a specific age, questions remain about the additional benefits of beginning screening before age 50. On average, the time until mortality benefits begin to be observed in these trials is longer in women younger than 50 than in older women (8 years vs 4 to 6 years) and some of the observed benefits could be due to screening after age 50.3,4 Analyses of individual studies suggest that at least some of the mortality reduction is due to early detection of tumors before age 50, but definitive estimates of the proportion of benefits due to early screening cannot be made.3,24

Submitted by crowepps on November 30, 2009 - 9:58pm.
That the Junior Anti-Sex League is perilously devoid of a sense of humor. 
Submitted by Amanda Marcotte, RH Reality Check on December 1, 2009 - 1:43pm.

That they can't understand "no evidence mammography and self-exams reduce mortality in this age group" and "high rate of false positives create more damage than the occasional missed diagnosis".

Submitted by crowepps on December 1, 2009 - 2:29pm.

You've got that right! *chuckles* I like the '1984' reference as well. Do you think we'll need to get a couple sashes to pass out?

Submitted by Wendy Banks on December 2, 2009 - 11:21pm.

I can read, crowepps, I just think that this report is awfully suspicious when the entire presidential 2008 campaign was focused on cancer screening and prevention as part of health reform, and now that we're almost there, the media starts pushing this one report from this one group that claims that mammagraphy is really no big deal, after all. Moreover, I am still taken aback by Marcott's childish use of the word "boobies" to describe women's breasts.
"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on December 1, 2009 - 12:00am.

Moreover, I am still taken aback by Marcott's childish use of the word "boobies" to describe women's breasts.

You seem to spend a lot of time scolding the other posters on this board for not using the vocabulary you would prefer and not wording their posts the way you would prefer and handing out offhand personal insults that judge the other posters deficient for one thing or another.  You've also made abundantly clear that you're a prude.

Submitted by crowepps on December 1, 2009 - 12:08am.

Uh, NO, Crowepps. Prude means that one is offended by sex or unable to discuss it comfortably, which is not what I indicated when I objected to Marcott's use of the term "boobies." "Boobies" has been considered a derogatory term for women's breasts for as long as I've had them, and I'm pretty sure that the adult who informed me of this fact didn't just make it up on the spot. It's like referring to vaginas as "pussies" or "cunts." "Breast" is the appropriate term for that part of a woman's anatomy. Using the word "boobies" indicates that the person is either too embarrassed or too childish to use the correct terminology.
"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on December 1, 2009 - 4:20am.

 

prude  (prd)
n.
One who is excessively concerned with being or appearing to be proper, modest, or righteous.

 

 

The only difference between the American anti-abortion movement and the Taliban is about 8,000 miles.

Dr Warren Hern, MD

Submitted by colleen on December 1, 2009 - 11:36am.

You also could use another word for herself-- Bigot.

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding attitude or mindset. Bigot is often used as a pejorative term to describe a person who is obstinately devoted to prejudices, especially when these views are either challenged, or proven to be false or not universally applicable or acceptable.

The origin of the word bigot and bigoterie in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of "religious hypocrite", especially a woman.

Thanks, from me and my 'boobies' *snirk*. I also hate having my breasts swished in a mamography machine. *ow!*

Submitted by Wendy Banks on December 2, 2009 - 7:11pm.

I have as much right to consider you a prude as you do to consider her childish.

 

Frankly, in my opinion, your posts reveal a lot of time spent curling your lip at the way other people express their opinions and (in your view) the inferiority of the opinions others hold, and a lot of time patting yourself on the back because you're sure your superior morality would have led you to make better choices in situations which you have never experienced, and not anywhere near enough time considering the content of those opinions and the facts on which they are based.

 

The judgmentalism is pretty typical of fundamentalist black/white thinkers, but the repetitiveness of it is still kind of annoying on a discussion board that is supposed to be civil.

Submitted by crowepps on December 1, 2009 - 2:21pm.

Be that as it may, I maintain my assertion that this report is inconsistent with the bipartisan push for prevention that has been going on since forever in the quest to defeat cancer, and that Marcott needs to grow up and stop feeling entitled to use demeaning language about women's bodies just because she's a liberal feminist. If a conservative woman used that word to described women's anatomy, she'd be disgusted, but because she used the word, it's "humorous." Disgusting.
"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on December 2, 2009 - 2:14am.

Don't you think you'd much more comfortable if you removed that bible you have crammed up your a** Progo? Your atitude is far more disgusting towards women in general that Amanda's is.

Why don't you take your far-right wing views and go join a convent-- It's clear you'd fit right in, seeing as how you think like a anacronism from the middle ages. It's almost 2010 not 1010.

And if you don't like Ms. Marcott's comments stay off this site-- No one but your fundie friends really want to talk to you anyway-- So, please, stop commenting, we won't miss you. And if you favorite quote is any basis to go on, you are doomed to be forgotten by history anyway.

Anacronism: The intentional use of older, often obsolete cultural artifacts may be regarded as anachronistic.

Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn-- Rhett Butler- Gone With The Wind.

Submitted by Wendy Banks on December 2, 2009 - 7:42pm.

Why don't you take your liberal prejudices out of YOUR a** and then go jump in a lake?

"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on December 2, 2009 - 8:23pm.

We understand that the issues discussed on this website are divisive. Unlike many forums that concern these issues we embrace and encourage a civil discourse about them. We will continue to allow open commenting that is of a civil nature and that seeks to engage the debate, but we will delete without further explanation comments that threaten, demean, or decrease the civility of discussion.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/about-us#comments

Submitted by crowepps on December 2, 2009 - 8:31pm.

Why *should* we be civil to Progo? She is seldom civil, and is very often demeaning, rude, insensitive, abusive and abrasive. She gets what she gives. Slap HER down first, and we will chill out.

Submitted by Wendy Banks on December 2, 2009 - 11:16pm.

Although she stretches my patience as well, the reason we should continue to be civil is that we are on a board which requires civility.  There hasn't been any improvement in Progo's posts that I've seen in response to rudeness which means the rudeness is a waste of our time whether posting it and reading that or others.

 

She reveals her character through the tone of her posts.  So do we.

Submitted by crowepps on December 3, 2009 - 6:06pm.

If "demeaning, rude, insensitive, abusive and abrasive"
= "does not agree with our opinions most of the time and says so," than I guess I'm guilty as charged.

"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on December 3, 2009 - 8:17am.

Actually Progo...it is not as much your disagreement that gets on my last nerve...it is your objections to having your own sentiments directed right back on you...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Submitted by ahunt on December 3, 2009 - 7:06pm.

Why should divorce be prohibited in the case of infidelity?

 

Why ban divorce but not adultery and fornication? It seems to me that states and countries would benefit greatly by enacting and enforcing adultery and fornication laws.

 

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Submitted by GrayDuck on December 6, 2009 - 10:23pm.