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The Date Rape Heard Round the World

By Sarah Seltzer, RH Reality Check

April 13, 2009 - 2:11pm

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In the "controversial" film "Observe and Report," which opened this weekend, Seth Rogen's character Ronnie takes Anna Faris's Brandi home after a night of tequila and recreational anti-depressant consumption. Brandi is stumbling and half-conscious. The audience at my Saturday afternoon screening grew audibly uncomfortable as Ronnie began kissing Brandi after she puked on the lawn.  

But when the screen flashed to Rogen "pumping away" while Brandi lay on the pillow, vomit on her face and eyes closed to oblivion, a line was crossed - "sketchy" became "illegal." 

Here's the oft-circulated response Rogen (the actor) has to the scene:

    SETH ROGEN: When we're having sex and she's unconscious like you can literally feel the audience thinking, like, how the fuck are they going to make this okay? Like, what can possibly be said or done that I'm not going to walk out of the movie theater in the next thirty seconds? . . . And then she says, like, the one thing that makes it all okay:

    BRANDI: "Why are you stopping, motherfucker?" 

Some critics, even some feminist ones, have said that this line from Brandi constitutes consent. But such an utterance can't absolve Ronnie. The scene is a clear-cut date rape. Even Faris has gone on the record acknowledging this (emphasis mine): 

    "When I read the script, I thought, ‘Well, this is Warner Bros. This is a studio movie, so this is all gonna be softened up. It's a comedy, right?' So when we were shooting it, even the date-rape scene - or as I refer to it, ‘The Tender Love-Making Scene' - I just thought, ‘We'll shoot it, but it's not gonna be in the movie. I don't have to worry about that one.' And yet there it is." 

So there's a popular movie out in theaters that plays a date rape for laughs. As Jill at Feministe wrote, in and of itself, that might not be horrifying. I'll jump on the "not a humorless feminist" bus and argue that in the right hands, nearly anything taboo can be funny. I adored "The Aristocrats" and worship "Borat." 

But Brandi's "why are you stopping?" line and the way Rogen and director Jody Hill have described it puts the scene firmly in the problematic realm. Instead of showing the audience how depraved Ronnie is (which is ostensibly the point of the film and this scene), Brandi's "funny" line shifts the focus towards her - a classic "she was asking for it" implication that makes Ronnie's actions go from horrifying to a-ok. Brandi is further victimized by Ronnie later in the film when he angrily smashes the glass at the makeup counter where she works, and then once again when, after she's nearly been attacked by a flasher, calls her out in public for (willingly) sleeping with his rival.  This is supposed to be a moment of triumph for him and humor for the audience because Brandi has been so uncool to him that she deserves it. 

Dana Stevens wonders aloud if her horror at the film is misplaced, and like many comedies, "Observe and Report" functions as a dark send-up of anxious masculinity. (A bevy of male critics have embraced the film as such, rape and all). Indeed, such a parody does seem to be the film's goal. Ronnie is objectively morally repugnant, and the cheers he gets at the film's end in reward for a grotesque act of violence are supposed to indict society's need for "heroism." The movie wants to implicate its audience and Ronnie is meant to be revealed as a false hero. 

But the film fails to achieve its goals in every single way.  Just as Brandi's characterization as a slut who craves even non-consensual sex swats away questions about Ronnie's culpability during the date rape scene, the film's cast of malevolent secondary characters gives Ronnie free reign to cross every line imaginable including gratuitous hard drug use, beating up teenagers, indiscriminate shooting, and harassing people of color. Apparently, they were all asking for it. 

Ronnie's journey reveals little about any psyche permeating our culture. Instead of an outsize emblem of the tough-cop wannabe, Ronnie is a mentally ill, delusional person (he is literally a bipolar disorder sufferer who goes off his medication) who craves violence as a means to self-esteem.  Given the shooting sprees that have rocked our country recently, it's just hard to find that hilarious. 

Amanda nails the essential problem in her critique of Jody Hill's first comedy, the Foot Fist Way: 

    The satire is over, and the whole thing is a nerd's revenge against evil women and more successful men. And even though the movie starts off satirizing the cult of masculinity, at the end of the movie, the basic rightness of the cult is upheld. 

This is a problem that permeates comedies during our current "bromance" era. When I got home from "Observe and Report," I turned on the TV and caught the sex scene from Judd Apatow's "Knocked Up" in which Rogen's character continually makes his pregnant partner change positions in bed due to his neurosis about jolting the fetus. I found this disturbing in the wake of "Observe and Report" - the woman's body and needs were secondary to the man's paranoia. She was expendable while he was making the audience crack up. To me, the date rape in "Observe and Report" is a natural progression from the "Knocked Up" mentality of sidelining women for dude-induced yuks.

The Seth Rogen archetype appearing in both films is an apparent loser who within each story's context ends up an unlikely good guy. The fact that a slimmed-down, cleaned-up Rogen is positioning himself as a "leading man" in public reinforces my feeling that he and his comic posse are not deeply interested in mocking themselves, but rather using their slacker-dudeliness as a platform with which to mock everyone else. That's not a parody of masculinity, but a classic example of male privilege.

I admit it, my comic tastes don't require feminist subversion: I loved the British flick "Hot Fuzz," which was a graphically violent parody of action films that had an actual heart. And I long for the halcyon days of the mainstream "Frat Pack" comic vehicle - where the buffoonish protagonist is billed as a manly hero but inevitably revealed as the butt of the joke. In contrast, the Rogen-Apatow-type character who's dominating the "edgier" blockbuster comedies now always has to make someone else into a bigger joke than himself, and often that person is a woman. How subversive. 

"Observe and Report" was a waste of Anna Faris's considerable comic gifts, a waste of two hours, and a wasted effort to critique an aspect of our society that cries out for a critique. David Edelstein chastises anxious feminists by saying "humor isn't safe." I'd retort that just because a scene is "unsafe" doesn't give it humor.  

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Most of the time, Hollywood does treat rape with solemnity. The one exception? Prison rape, of course. Prison rape is a punchline. "Date rape" of women is nothing to laugh at, but at least the laughs are rare. We Prison rape is not only tolerated but is routinely laughed at. And, no, it's not just men laughing -- women think it's "hilarious," too. Some experts say more men are raped than women because of prison rape -- underreporting is not just rampant, the fact is, very few prison rapes are reported. Reporting typically leads to even more vile assaults. Contrary to our wishfulness, the men who are raped are not the evil rapists and murderers getting "prison justice." On the contrary, the typical profile of the men being raped is that they typically are barely more than boys -- they are very young, they non-violent (often in on drug offenses), and they usually have no experience in the penal system. Gays are disproportionately targeted. The victims tolerate repeated brutality -- often day in and day out -- just to survive. They awaken every single day expecting to be raped.

And to Hollywood -- and to us -- this is funny?

There is nothing wrong with pointing out that date rape should never be a laughing matter, even in isolated cases. But the far greater problem is that we routinely -- make that "just about always" -- close our eyes to, and we laugh at, the rape of defenseless young, non-violent men in prison.

That should be everyone's concern, too.

Submitted by Pierce Harlan on April 13, 2009 - 4:07pm.

Are you seriously worked up over this stupid comedy? All of these characters are f**ked up. It is kind of the point. No one is walking away from this flick thinking that date rape is ok. I know you look to play the victim card at every opportunity but this is a serious stretch.

"I turned on the TV and caught the sex scene from Judd Apatow's "Knocked Up" in which Rogen's character continually makes his pregnant partner change positions in bed due to his neurosis about jolting the fetus. I found this disturbing in the wake of "Observe and Report" - the woman's body and needs were secondary to the man's paranoia."

As a father of two myself I can sympathize with his character here. You don't. The difference is obvious. Unlike his character I pushed down my anxiety about it and soldiered through because I didn't want a scene like that in the movie.

Apparently it's ok if the man's needs are secondary to the woman's. Double standard is a bitch huh?

Submitted by Anonymous on April 13, 2009 - 10:03pm.

No one is walking away from this flick thinking that date rape is ok.

Or are they? Most critics and many people who saw the film are quick to deny that it's rape. Or they'll dismiss it as not that bad because she says something while drunk that barely constitutes consent and because "that girl was a skank!" From what I understand, this woman was unconscious and covered in vomit. When someone is that intoxicated, they are not able to consent. But the film has this attitude like "see, it was all okay because she consented eventually!"

I know you look to play the victim card at every opportunity but this is a serious stretch.

Obvious grudge is obvious. Leave the ad-homs at home.

Apparently it's ok if the man's needs are secondary to the woman's. Double standard is a bitch huh?

The whole point, which you missed by about a mile, is that he finds her pregnant body disgusting and frightening. It's a huge show of how our culture dehumanizes pregnant women. He can't even begin to think of her wants and needs because she's icky and weird looking, and some sort of taboo untouchable object.

Submitted by Sayna on April 16, 2009 - 9:55pm.

Unfortunately, the media continues to portay women as sex objects and does not portray women as taking true control of their sexuality, which this scene just feeds into. It reminds me of a friend I had who was date raped and didn't really understand that that was what happened to her because she really lacked respect for herself...it's just sad. It's not funny.

"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on April 13, 2009 - 10:52pm.

Moreover, saying "why are you stopping" does not constitute consent because people will say anything while they are drunk, including agreement to things that they would never agree to if they were sober.

"Well behaved women seldom make history."-Laurel Thatcher Ulrich

Submitted by Progo35 on April 13, 2009 - 10:54pm.

Yeh Seth Rogen's films are always a bit close to the bone in some cases. But i think they should be taken with a pinch of salt. Having said that, i can see why some individuals would be up in arms over that particular scene, with all the stories of rape on the news at the moment. If there's a sensitive issue that needs blowing out of the water, Rogen's the man!

Submitted by Tempura Pillows on May 28, 2009 - 2:19pm.