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What Does "Feminists for Life" Tell Us About Palin?

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What a public relations boon for any organization. The Feminists for Life home page currently reads: “FFL Member nominated for Vice President of the United States…According to the Anchorage Daily News published August 6, 2006, ‘Palin said last month that no woman should have to choose between her career, education, and her child…she’s a member [since 2006] of a pro-woman but anti-abortion group called Feminists for Life...[Palin stated] I believe in the strength and power of women, and the potential of every human life.’ ”

 

What does this affiliation say about Palin? What is Feminists for Life? FFL’s slogan is “Refuse to Choose: Women Deserve Better than Abortion. “ Co-opting genuine woman-focused language and values, and wrapping it in a false blanket of “woman-centered solutions” and alleged loving concern for women, FFL cleverly uses a “pro-woman, pro-life philosophy” and completely manipulates the feminist terminology of empowerment. Their web site speaks out on numerous issues of concern to women, such as violence against women, honor killings, coercive sterilization, literacy, child care, sex trafficking, and female genital mutilation. They support deceptive anti-choice crisis pregnancy centers as real solutions for women, with the centerpiece of their work being that abortion is exploitive, coercive, and always wrong and harmful, for any and all women everywhere, in every circumstance.

In 2002, while running for the office of lieutenant governor in Alaska, Palin wrote to the Alaska Right to Life Board and stated that she was as “pro-life as any candidate can be” and has “adamantly supported our cause since I first understood, as a child, the atrocity of abortion.” She does not view rape and incest to be valid exceptions to her stance; the only exception that she supports is if the life of the woman is in danger. How very noble of the governor to care about women so deeply.

Of course, she shares John McCain’s commitment to overturning Roe vs. Wade (although she has never flip-flopped on the issue, as he has) and she is a dangerous ideologue. She is also against gay marriage.

When discussing a ballot measure that would deny benefits to gay couples, she stated:” I believe that honoring the family structure is that important,” obviously oblivious to the fact that her definition of family is incredibly narrow and that the diversity of all types of families should be celebrated. She is a self-described hockey mom, mother of five, is in favor of capital punishment, does not believe that global warming is human-made, is a long-time member of the National Rifle Association, and supports the teaching of both creationism and evolution in public schools. As would be expected, Sarah Palin also opposes medically accurate sexuality education programs and stated in 2006 that “she would fund [only] ‘abstinence-until-marriage’ education” (Juneau Empire, 9/20/06).

This belief now presumably has had an enormous impact on Palin’s family per an announcement on Labor Day that her17 year-old daughter Bristol is five months pregnant, will keep the child, and marry the father. The Palins further stated: “Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family. We ask the media [to] respect our daughter and Levi’s privacy, as has always been the tradition of children of candidates.”

I could not agree more that these are extraordinarily private and personal family issues that should not destroy the life and future of Bristol or her fiancé. This family needs to be left alone as they work through the impact of Bristol’s pregnancy and how this will change her life. How good—and right— it is that Bristol has the support and love of her family and that Bristol made the decision on her own to keep her baby, as did her 44 year-old-mom with all five of her children. No one should judge this family, Bristol’s sexual activity, or pregnancy, as this is what true choice is all about. Parenting is one of the most challenging jobs in the world, and motherhood is an aspect of Palin’s resumé that prepares her for leadership (although not to be the vice-presidential nominee). I cannot help but wonder that if Bristol and her boyfriend had been exposed to a different type of discussion around sexual activity—medically accurate sexuality education—could this pregnancy have been avoided?

Bristol has made her choice— and all choices regarding unintended pregnancy need to be respected, honored, and supported, whatever they are. Women are moral and ethical decision-makers and they know when then are ready—or not— to bring a new life into this world. But that is not the stance of Sarah Palin. As a staunch religious conservative specifically selected to mobilize the religious right and close the gender gap—John McCain is trailing Barack Obama by 12 points among women, according to Emily’s List— Sarah Palin is completely out of touch with the realities of the lives of women and families. As quoted in the August 31st Women’s E-News, Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood of America, declared: “The last thing women need is a president—and a vice-president—who are prepared to turn back the clock and repeal the protections of Roe vs. Wade.” Yes, that is a frightening and chilling thought.

“Can You Cross Out ‘Hillary” and Write in ‘Sarah’?” queries Kate Zernike in Sunday’s New York Times. For me, the answer is clear and transparent. NO. We undeniably need to keep fighting racism, sexism, homophobia, and a vast array of inequalities in the US. We absolutely need more diversity and far many more smart, perceptive, and well-informed women in leadership roles for the good of the country and the world. But not this anti-choice, pro-gun, and inexperienced woman governor.

To the Republicans I say—do not ever pander to me and don’t you dare insult my intelligence. Do not give us a candidate who opposes everything that enhances the lives, health, and opportunities for women and children. But you that is what you just did and shame on you.

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26 comments
Marcy, Thanks for reporting the facts on the so-called Feminists for Life and for your cogent commentary on their world view that fails to value women's lives. Their tagline "refuse to choose" says it all. But the reality of being human is that we cannot refuse to chose. Not to decide is to decide, as one of my mentors used to tell me. And failing to credit women with the capability to make their own moral decisions about their lives and about childbearing strips women of respect if not our very humanity. It's a lot easier to relinquish responsibility for one's own life and simply "refuse to choose", isn't it?
Submitted by GloriaFeldt on September 2, 2008 - 7:45am.

Gloria--I was a long time member of Feminists for Life, but quit because I felt their efforts to reduce abortion needed to include contraception, comprehensive sex education, and comprehensive, universal maternal child health and welfare services.  Programs such as those that exist in Western European social welfare states.

Their focus on mobilizing resources for pregnant and parenting students is good as far it goes...There's a crying need for that, still.  I was a pregnant and parenting student over two decades ago, and now my daughter is one....

But much, much more is needed to address the root causes of abortion and promote all areas of reproductive justice (for both the unborn and the already-born). 

 The slogan "refuse to choose" is actually short for "refuse to choose between women and children" (in the matter of abortion...Social conditions are seen as pitting women against their own unborn children, and that is why so many abortions happen). 

The "refuse to choose" slogan often is interpreted by prochoicers as a blanket indictment of *all* sexual and reproductive choices.  So I can't defend FFL's use of it, even though I know what the slogan's intent was when it was coined.  "Pro every other choice" would be better!

I know many, many people who identify as prolife feminists.  Whether we are members of FFL or not, we actively support the full range of *nonabortion* sexual and reproductive choices (unlike Sarah Palin, apparently) and other matters that you and other prochoicers would clearly recognize as women's rights. 

But we thoughtfully conclude that abortion is very different from, for example, the right to use contraception or practice outercourse, to live as a heterosexual or LGBT person, or choose between parenting, adoption, or guardianship in the event of a difficult pregnancy. 

Not because we want to punish women for having sex, but because we identify abortion as lifetaking, and taking life is not (we feel) a humane way to solve human problems.  (And yes, that translates into opposing violence against abortion providers, war, the death penalty, environmental destruction, etc., etc...what else would "prolife" mean??!!)

Prolife feminism, understood in this manner, is a never-ending, ever-expanding responsibility....not an evasion of moral responsibility at all....

If you or anyone else here thinks I am making all this up, you are perfectly welcome to visit and participate here (*respectful* dialogue and *cooperative* common-ground action with prochoicers most welcome):

www.nonviolentchoice.blogspot.com

 

Submitted by Marysia on September 2, 2008 - 8:13pm.
Ah, good old pro-life feminists. Women who don't like being told what to do telling other women what to do!
I know many, many people who identify as prolife feminists. Whether we are members of FFL or not, we actively support the full range of *nonabortion* sexual and reproductive choices (unlike Sarah Palin, apparently) and other matters that you and other prochoicers would clearly recognize as women's rights.
Ah, so you recognize a woman's right to make the full spectrum of choices that you agree with. How very progressive of you. Women can are free to do ANTYHING you say!
You either have a full spectrum of reproductive healthcare options or you don't. You can't just take away freedom because it offends your religion or your morality.
Not because we want to punish women for having sex, but because we identify abortion as lifetaking, and taking life is not (we feel) a humane way to solve human problems. (And yes, that translates into opposing violence against abortion providers, war, the death penalty, environmental destruction, etc., etc...what else would "prolife" mean??!!)
Again, those are your PERSONAL beliefs. When I was a more hardcore vegetarian, I thought that taking ANY life was inhumane and wrong. Would it have been right for me to take away people's right to eat meat? Would it have been okay for me to make animal slaughter and eating illegal just because me and the rest of my PETA-freaks made up the larger part of the population? Tell me, how many burgers have YOU had in the past month?
Making abortion illegal or unavailable may not neccesarily be a violent action, but it is an act of force. It is an act of forcing other human beings to remain pregnant and give birth against their will because of your own personal moral beliefs. And as history has shown, that act of force has and continues to prove harmful and often fatal to women. If that sort of behavior doesn't qualify as violent, it's awfully close.
I became a feminist when I realized that it wasn't about hating men or burning bras, but about CHOICE. It's about not letting others treat you as inferior just because you are a minority. It's about not letting your sex, gender, race, religion, ethnicity, color, shape, size, age, or any other factor be used to make you feel bad about yourself or hold you back. It's about being yourself, free of the constraints that society places on you based on your gender. It's about freedom. It's about being valued as an autonomous, thinking, feeling, living human being. Telling a woman that she MUST remain pregnant and MUST give birth to be a "real woman" goes against everything feminism is about.
And no, you can't just "refuse to choose" between woman and fetus. If two living things could share a single body and have equal rights to that body, this debate would not exist. Either a woman has a right to domain over her body and to control anything and everything that is done to it, or that most vital of human rights is stripped of her the moment she becomes pregnant and the government has a right to ensure that the fetus' right to birth comes before her right to her body. There isn't an easy, simple middle ground where both can win and nobody has to have this nasty little debate anymore. Either the woman has a right to her body, or she does not.
Submitted by Sayna on September 3, 2008 - 4:30pm.

How many burgers have I eaten in the last month, you ask?

Well, sorry to disappoint you, but absolutely none.  Same for over the past decade, too.

I am a vegetarian also.  Have been one since 1996.  Don't eat animal flesh, don't even wear leather shoes, have adopted three animals from a shelter, take incessant political actions in favor of environmental and animal causes...

And it's because I'm prolife on abortion that I, personally became an ecofeminist, *not* despite...

And kindly please do not sneer at my progressivism.  It is not some kind of deigning condescension.  My progressivism is real, it goes to the core of my being and action, it is no gimmick or calculating afterhought, thank you very much.

Of course there are situations where a woman's life or health is jeopardized by carrying a fetus, and the best medical care in the world cannot heal the conflict away. 

But in many, many cases the conflict between woman and fetus is something created by social conditions which treat pregnancy as incompatible with making a living, going to school, or other important life activities.

If women were treated as truly equal to men, would such conflicts exist?  If men also had bodies with the potential to carry, bear, and nurse children, would such conflicts exist?  I highly doubt it. 

This culture would be scrambling all over itself not only to create foolproof, universally available,  free contraception.  All of its institutions would be structured to be fully compatible with the needs of parents and children, before, during, and after birth.

The view of the fetus as some kind of marauder that eats up the pregnant person's bodily integrity and rights would also likely disappear.

You believe (as I do, even though you evidently find this hard to believe) in the inherent value and equality of women.  Would you like it if someone told you not to "impose" that personal religious or ethical value on others?  I suspect you might feel that is a complete misconstrual of who you are and what you are about. 

It wouldn't be fair for someone to tell you to take your defense of women and go home, because it was a purely personal belief...

Because there are some issues of universal human rights that transcend personal morality or preferences, that encompass issues common to people of all faiths and none.  Feminism is one, just like movements for racial, working-class, global-poor, or LGBT justice.

That's how I see the struggle to achieve full inclusion for both unborn children, already-born children, and pregnant and parenting women is another.  In fact, as I see it, it's a subset of feminism, prolife feminism--just as prochoice feminism is.

Feminists can disagree on a wide variety of issues--why not abortion?
Submitted by Marysia on September 4, 2008 - 9:58am.
And kindly please do not sneer at my progressivism. It is not some kind of deigning condescension. My progressivism is real, it goes to the core of my being and action, it is no gimmick or calculating afterhought, thank you very much.
I'm not sneering at your supposed progressivism. I'm expressing utter disgust at your totalitarian, narrow minded views on women and the absurdity of you daring to call them progressive or feminist.
If women were treated as truly equal to men, would such conflicts exist? If men also had bodies with the potential to carry, bear, and nurse children, would such conflicts exist? I highly doubt it. This culture would be scrambling all over itself not only to create foolproof, universally available, free contraception. All of its institutions would be structured to be fully compatible with the needs of parents and children, before, during, and after birth.
There is no debate about this. I know of no feminist who suports the sexual double standard or who isn't upset by the lack of equality when it comes to contraception and parenthood. Painting pro-choicers as not caring about these issues is dishonest.
You believe (as I do, even though you evidently find this hard to believe) in the inherent value and equality of women. Would you like it if someone told you not to "impose" that personal religious or ethical value on others? I suspect you might feel that is a complete misconstrual of who you are and what you are about.
Women are citizens and persons. The rights, equality and humanity of half the world are not religious or moral issues. The government's responsibility is to protect the rights of its citizens.
Not to mention the fact that women's equality does nothing to interefere with the rights of others.
Flawed argument, failed attempt at a guilt trip. Try again!
The view of the fetus as some kind of marauder that eats up the pregnant person's bodily integrity and rights would also likely disappear.
Not quite sure if that view is fact, but it's certainly more than opinion. Two living things in one body can. not. share. equal rights to that body. One will always come before the rights of the other. If it worked that way, the abortion debate would. not. exist.
Submitted by Sayna on September 6, 2008 - 1:17am.

my "totalitarian, narrow minded views on women"?  just look through nonviolentchoice.blogspot. com and www.nonviolentchoice.info and the ProLife Feminism book and you can see just what my views on women are.  i think your a priori knowledge of these views misses the mark. 

 you are also welcome to email editor ---at---nonviolentchoice.info if you want to quiz me in detail about the whole gamut of women's rights issues.  you are also free to quiz me in detail about how i have lived my own life, how i have raised my daughter and the sort of person she has turned out to be...the proof in the pudding...

though some prolifers claim that prochoicers don't care about alternatives to abortion....i am not one of them.  in fact, i challenge prolifers who demonize and misunderstand prochoicers.  just as i challenge prochoicers who demonize prolifers.

i recognize and honor prochoice as well as prolife activists who attend to these important underlying causes of abortion.  more power to all of them, and i want to work with you all.

honestly, i am not interested in guilt tripping you, sayna.  there's a difference between a calculated attempt to guilt trip someone and encouraging or challenging them to have a little empathy for a dreaded "other," namely, in this case me, the purported evil misogynist antichoicer.

i'm not interested in inducing guilt.  i am interested in reciprocal understanding, in the leaving behind of demonization. 

the view of pregnancy as some kind of competitive struggle for the same scarce resources and terrority, a matter of who dominates and who submits, is, i believe, an artifact, however conscious or unconscious, of social darwinism, which has never been exactly friendly to women.

 i'm not saying you're less of a feminist or a person for seeing pregnancy in this light, it is understandable why it might appear to you that way...

i'm just inviting you to consider the negative practical implications such a view of pregnancy has...whether it is held by prochoice or prolife...

 how much this society would change for the better if instead pregnancy was looked upon, and substantively treated as, a profound, both/and--not either/or-- interconnection of two equally valuable human bodies and lives.

we always seem to pit one group against another...can't be for both the born and the already born, can't be for both black and white, for women and children, can't be for both straight and lgbt, and so on, and so on...what, instead, living according to the consciousness that "an injury to one is an injury to all?"
Submitted by Marysia on September 6, 2008 - 2:52pm.
Because you're really great about saying nothing in as many words as possible. And you're not too bad at making it seem like you're listening to other people's concerns without giving a damn about them or their cause.
the view of pregnancy as some kind of competitive struggle for the same scarce resources and terrority, a matter of who dominates and who submits, is, i believe, an artifact, however conscious or unconscious, of social darwinism, which has never been exactly friendly to women.
Support this argument. Provide explanation or a source.
how much this society would change for the better if instead pregnancy was looked upon, and substantively treated as, a profound, both/and--not either/or-- interconnection of two equally valuable human bodies and lives.
You honestly think that making pregnancy and childbirth mandatory through legal and social force will make people see pregnancy in a more positive light?
...can't be for both the born and the already born...
Perhaps you see things only in black and white, because what you just said implies that people on my side must automatically be against the fetus just because we support the woman.
What I have told you several times and what I am telling you now is that there is no middle ground between the pro-choice and pro-life sides. Either abortion is tantamount to murder and should therefore be illegal or it is not the same as murder and should not be illegal. Either you uphold the woman's right to bodily domain or you uphold the fetus' right to be born. Either the woman's body is her own private property and society cannot infringe upon that, or her body ceases to be her own upon becoming pregnant and the government may take away her right to B.D. in order to protect the life of the fetus.
If you make abortion illegal or heavily restricted, you force women to give birth against their will. (Unless they resort to trying to self-induce an abortion, in which case they would be jailed if caught for attemtpted abortion.) If you keep abortion legal you allow women and doctors to kill zygotes, embryos and fetuses. Any leaning toward one will anger the other. Any attempt at trying to please both sides will end up in a case in which sometimes murder is okay and sometimes forced childbirth is okay.
If you find yourself on a side that wants to reduce the number of abortions but not make them illegal or unsafe, congratulations: you're pro-choice.
Submitted by Sayna on September 6, 2008 - 8:31pm.

..in becoming a politician.  among other reasons, politicians tend to bandy about very complex things in black and white. like abortion. 

for example...they do pit women against fetuses, as so much of the abortion debate does.  while meanwhile there are both prolifers and prochoicers who do not see things so starkly (i already have known and respected for decades that many prochoicers do not see themselves as anti-fetus, thank you very much...just as many prolifers cannot be categorically dismissed as misogynists-by-definition).

but these complexities are suppressed from public discourse and action because it serves politician's interests, rather than human need.  one thing suppressing all these complexities, which overlap between prolife and prochoice on more occasions than is commonly thought...is the assertion, like you make, that there is absolutely no common ground.

 the reason i recommended the prolife feminism book to you (the 2nd edition is much better) is that a lot of the points i have made with you are substantially documented, beyond anything i could provide you in this forum, better spoken, and in a far more diverse range of voices than simply my own. i even offered ways of accessing the book that would free you from lining my antichoice pockets (not that i wrote it for the material riches it provides, namely not enough to keep the electricity on in my antichoice lair).

 but you have already decided you don't need to read it because you already know what i am all about.  better than i do, evidently! 

if you require me to footnote everything i say, then to be fair shouldn't *you* footnote what you say?  shouldn't everybody on rhrealitycheck be required to use references on their comments?  

Submitted by Marysia on September 10, 2008 - 3:05pm.
I really don't see how you can claim to support "animal rights" (on your MySpace), yet not support the total abolition of animals as commodities. Its a hypocritical PETA-esque statement (PETA is animal ethics, not rights) and does little to benefit non-human animals. Yes, outlawing something alone won't completely stop something, and it is forcing your morals on someone else, but most of our laws are exactly that. Rape, homicide, child molestation,...those are forced morals. Invading Iraq was forced morals, as was destroying the German state following WWII.
Submitted by Anonymous on September 5, 2008 - 1:42am.

excuse me?

i'm not entirely sure what you're referring to.  the fact that i am a vegetarian not a vegan?

Submitted by Marysia on September 5, 2008 - 8:34pm.
Sorry Marysia, I made two mistakes with that. The first was not addressing it to Sayna as intended. The second was forgetting to put my name to it.
Submitted by pro-life atheist on September 6, 2008 - 1:14am.
Marysia--couldn't agree more. Other than what you said, it is my opinion that pro-lifers are not against a woman's rights, but rather that abortion is intrinsically anti-woman. That being said, the way to prevent abortions (because no one likes them, surely we can agree on that?) is not by condemning, as some tend to do, but rather with embracing those with this choice to make. We should work together to make this country a more accepting place for mothers in any circumstances.
Submitted by Juliette on October 29, 2008 - 10:54pm.
The privacy of this young woman and the father is so obviously important. Did Ms. Palin think about her daughter when she dragged her into the national/international spotlight for this 'appointment'? I am sorry, but I feel a really supportive mother would have sacrificed the spot for their child. I understand that among the far right of her kind, this is considered a chance to put a feather in Ms. Palin's cap. She can now prove her far right credentials by avoiding abortion, and creating a home for this grandchild. Maybe she can go further and create homes for more children. Someone with means and influence and the moral imperative she chooses to expose should leave no child behind while she still has her putative influence and abilities.
Submitted by Anonymous on September 2, 2008 - 1:07pm.
I cannot argue with the need for sex education in the schools. I feel this is essential in informing our youth the "workings" of our human bodies. Unfortunately, sex education does not prevent unwanted pregnancies. The abortion rate has continually gone up in major metropolitan areas for the last 30 years. It seems everyone agrees that abortion is a physically and emotionally tramatic choice but it is not talked about in schools as part of the sex education curriculum. If we consider abortion a choice then the pros and cons should be taught. Information never hurt anyone as long as all sides are presented equally. The only way to reduce abortion is to teach birth control. Birth control should be taught snd encouraged in many ways. Everything should be on the table. Contraceptives, abstinence or whatever it takes. Bristol and her boyfriend knowing about contraceptives does not stop unwanted pregnancy. The application of this knowledge does. This is the great challenge. Having hormone driven teens/young adults use taught knowlege in a time of passion. Figure this out and abortion will become a footnote of future generations.
Submitted by sonny on September 2, 2008 - 8:30pm.
Two stories: 17 year old Amber got pregnant while in high school and in a relationship with an abusive boyfriend. She went to Planned Parenthood for resources. They scheduled her for an abortion. She asked again for resources, telling them that she did not want an abortion, that, despite the unappealing circumstances, the pregnancy had not been an accident. They again responded just with her appointment time and date. Maria is much older - a single woman in her mid-40s. She is planning to adopt a child from Guatemala. Leaving her government job on time but in a hurry because she wanted to be on time to an evening meeting about adoption processes, her boss stops her and berates her, "this is a full time job, you know. If you adopt a child, I'm not cutting you any slack." THESE stories, repeated in different forms around the world, speak to the "refuse to choose" slogan... because women DO deserve better. Ranting on and on about "rights" and "my body" etc. are meaningless in light of the great sadness that too many women feel over the lack of viable options that led to their "choice." The pro-choice slogan, "it's pro-choice or no-choice" speaks to that desperation, which is the very antithesis of empowerment that should be at the root of feminism. Contraception and sex education manuals could hang from the trees and still, unplanned pregnancies will occur, still, women will feel that deep sadness, as long as we fail to hear the real message of pro-life feminism, which is a call to radically change the way our institutions are structured.
Submitted by Anonymous on September 5, 2008 - 12:42am.
to force an abortion on a reluctant teenager is so clearly a lie and fabrication. What is it with fundamentalist Christians, are you people completely unable to speak the truth?
Submitted by colleen on September 6, 2008 - 11:36am.
I was so outraged at the rest that I ignored that bit, but yes.
It's not realistic. It doesn't match up with Planned Parenthood's goals. It's not even remotely plausible. If they were into forcing women to have abortions, wouldn't we have a ton of women talking about it? If abortion were their main source of funding like everyone says, wouldn't they stop supporting pregnancy prevention? Or, if they're weren't a non-profit organization and existed solely to get money out of desperate people, wouldn't they be pressuring women to stay pregnant and give birth so they could profit off of prenatal care, which is much more expensive than abortion? And since the "they're about making money" argument doesn't make sense just what exact reasoning would they have to be pressuring women to have abortions?
Oh, but what do I know? Clearly I've been brainwashed by teh eevil librul abortion mill baby assassin rapist baby-eaters! Just goes to show ya what craaaazy ideas women come up with when someone else isn't doing the decision-making for them!
Submitted by Sayna on September 6, 2008 - 12:02pm.
Ranting on and on about "rights" and "my body" etc. are meaningless in light of the great sadness that too many women feel over the lack of viable options that led to their "choice."
How dare you?!
How could you? To claim to have a respect for women and then dismiss their feelings as "meaningless ranting"? Putting our rights and our bodies in quotes like they mean nothing? Those bodies, those rights are the very core of a person's being. One's body is the only thing that they have. It's the only thing that one truly owns. Without the right to control and maintain that body as one sees fit, they have nothing. Without the rights and liberties that pertain to that body, a human being is not free.
This body is all I have. This is the most precious and vital thing I have. This is the one and only thing that nobody has any right to take away from me. Without ownership of my body, all other rights, liberties and properties mean nothing.
I can't believe you would seek to make my body government property and brush my outrage off as pointless whining. That indicates a complete and utter lack of compassion for wonen. That is beyond cruel. But sadly, I'm used to hearing it. "Pro-life" people prove to me again and again and again that without exception, they see women as worthless and invalid.
The pro-choice slogan, "it's pro-choice or no-choice" speaks to that desperation, which is the very antithesis of empowerment that should be at the root of feminism.
I think I've already made it clear why unless you have access to all reproductive options, you don't really have a choice. What I don't undertsand is your implication that it's empowering to force women to carry a pregnancy and give birth.
It sounds like some awful anti-feminist joke: "Women are strong and capable? Yeah, well, if you're strong and capable, you must be able to deal with us FORCING you to go through nine months of pregnancy and then hours of childbirth!"
Submitted by Sayna on September 6, 2008 - 11:52am.

sayna, i actually agree with you that prochoice women's references to having the right over their own body are very serious and worthy of respect.  women's bodies have been so trespassed upon. one in three globally have been abused.

 i challenge prolifers who trivialize this aspect of the prochoice argument.  the right over own's own body is a genuine ethical claim.

even though i disagree that the right over one's own body extends to taking the life of another body within one's own....it is a real right, we simply disagree about its parameters.

 

Submitted by Marysia on September 6, 2008 - 3:01pm.
If you can't control what (and who) goes into, stays inside or comes out of your body, you do not have bodily domain. If you can't use force to protect your bodily domain when neccessary, you don't have bodily domain.
Submitted by Sayna on September 6, 2008 - 8:35pm.

would you rather i was working *against* instead of *for* (like i am) contraception, comprehensive sex ed, male responsibility, lgbt rights, rape/incest prevention and treatment, universal health care and everything else that helps women to have the rights over *their own* bodies...and prevent difficult pregnancies and abortions in the process?

it would probably make me easier to demonize...but i'm not going to change what i deeply am just so you can demonize and dismiss me...

so you do not value at all the likely substantial areas of agreement we probably have?

coalition building and getting things done requires cooperation with people who are not exactly like you, who may even hold beliefs you find repugnant....to achieve things we both believe in, we may (!) actually need one another, and one another's particular insights and wisdom.

Submitted by Marysia on September 10, 2008 - 3:16pm.
I don't care about your 'work' anymore than I care about the 'work' of that human doormat and professional 'good girl', Amy Sullivan. I don't believe that what you're doing will have any positive effect, I do believe that it will have a negative effect and I certainly don't view you as someone I want to build a coalition with. Also it's pretty clear that you're fighting with the wrong people.....
Submitted by colleen on September 10, 2008 - 4:09pm.
I think it's unbelievable a so called feminist group can be anti choice. I think Sarah Palin would have very different views if her own daugther fell pregant as a result of rape.
Submitted by creative agency on October 22, 2008 - 5:45pm.

I don’t think you’re giving Feminists for Life a fair hearing. There’s a world of difference between the FFL approach to dealing with abortion and the GOP’s approach.  

 In the article Bloom references, the FFL pointedly denied that it was endorsing Palin’s candidacy.  The FFL also gushed about wording in the 2008 Democratic National Committee Platform: The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman's decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.  These Democratic policies are policies which Palin and the Republicans are unwilling to finance. I have yet to see FFL advocate any government policies which restrict a woman’s access to abortion procedures.  Their efforts have always been aimed at opening up options for mothers to bring their pregnancies to term, and in providing forums for women to share their experiences with other women. As for what Palin would do if her daughter conceived a child as a result of a rape … I would take note of the fact that she’s not a very complex person, psychologically speaking.  Palin would be concerned about her daughter, but she would also be concerned about her grandchild – so I think it’s safe to say that she would do everything she could to encourage her daughter to keep the baby.  

 

Paul Bradford

Pro-Life Catholics for Choice

Submitted by Paul Bradford, Pro Life Catholics for Choice on October 22, 2008 - 9:20pm.
Interesting, how would ya all feel if your mother had terminated her pregnancy with you, or another loved one??? Rape and the morning after pill will prevent these discussions. If a person is abused and goes to the hospital "AS THEY SHOULD" they can get cleaned up before there is a pregnancy. A choice, we have a choice to make in every direction of life. Control means never having to say your sorry.
Submitted by Tomb on November 30, 2008 - 4:37pm.

That's a really silly question, as if my mother had terminated the pregnancy that produced me I wouldn't be here to "feel" anything, and if she had terminated another pregnancy I would never have known that "loved one" as they would never have existed.You can't miss what you have never had.

 If "control means never having to say you're sorry" does that let the rapists and such off the hook when they forcibly impregnate women? How come the onus is on the woman to get MAP (which anti-choicers make extremely difficult to get in many areas)?  What of women who are abused and cannot GET to medical facilities in time to obtain MAP? Must be nice to have all the answers and assume women are in a situation to make the choice YOU feel is correct for them. What about the broken condom, the failed tubal ligation? How do you get "cleaned up" from a contraceptive failure?

 

Your whole post smacks of hating women, and it saddens me.

 

 

Submitted by TheRealistMom on November 30, 2008 - 11:20pm.