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Barack Obama's Saddleback Misspeak and Drew Westen's Lessons on Abortion Talk

By Amie Newman, RH Reality Check

August 19, 2008 - 1:53pm

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Drew Westen, on Huffington Post today, writes about Barack Obama's answer to the million-dollar "when does life begin" question at the Saddleback Forum. 

His post is prefaced on the idea that Obama could have answered the question in a way that acknowledges how nuanced and sensitive the dialogue around this issue is but that he didn't quite get there with his "it's above my pay grade" answer. 

I can admit that Obama's answer did not inspire waves of confidence in my own mind, nor did I think it was a politically powerful response. 

But is there no one who has the guts - commentator, writer - to ask why in the world we are asking our presidential candidates to define for us when life begins?! Why not ask what life means to them? Does it mean enough to stop an unjustified war or just enough for political leverage? 

Instead, we've got men on a stage who are supposed to define for me, and all women, what they believe happens inside women's bodies and how our private, medical decisions should be opened up for the entire country to play a role in.

That said, our politicians will certainly not engage in that kind of talk in the near future. Westen argues that lefties have more difficulty crafting clear, simple and effective responses to these kinds of questions not because progressive ideas are "too sophisticated" but because the discussion is "not sophisticated enough." 

Westen would rather have heard Obama speak to those "in the middle" voters - the ones who believe abortion should be legal but with more restrictions than are currently in place - in a way that acknowledges where they are at and start the conversation from there: 

Most Americans actually disagree with John McCain on abortion, as they do on most of the issues that separate him and his Democratic rival. Polls show that only 30% of Americans believe all abortions should be illegal, and few support a return to the pre-Roe era. The majority -- including the majority of evangelical Christians, who made up Warren's audience -- think we should find some kind of "middle ground" on abortion. The reason is that most Americans are ambivalent about abortion. Virtually no one -- left, right, or center -- is comfortable with late term abortions except when the mother's life or health is in danger. The idea of aborting an 8-month-old fetus for convenience (something no one would really do, but it makes a great bogey man to push Democrats down slippery slopes) is deeply disturbing to the vast majority of Americans in a way that aborting a 10-week-old fetus is not.

But where I fall off the train is where we engage in a discussion about this as if there truly is any argument here? No one supports abortions in the eighth month of pregnancy unless it is to save the life or preserve the health of the mother. And these abortions are simply not done otherwise as is legal under Roe v. Wade. There are two providers in the entire country - two male doctors who will perform these procedures. Believe me, convenience is never a part of the discussion.

Secondly, and where Westen predictably slips up, is in phrasing these abortions as "late term abortions." Late term abortions are abortions that occur in the second trimester, before viability. These abortions are legal in all circumstances before the fetus can live outside of the mother's womb. Again, women do not take these abortions lightly, they are not widely accessible by any stretch, nor are they affordable for many women. But they are not the same as so-called "partial birth abortions" and we need to be clear about this. 

If Westen wants to engage in true discussion about these issues he must acknowlege that "common ground" does not mean sacrificing basic facts and truth. Westen's idea for what Obama should have said includes this line:

And we all agree that abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control and shouldn't be an option late in pregnancy except when the mother's life or health is in danger. 

But why are we even bringing up the myth that anyone believes that abortion "should be" an option late in pregnancy except in those circumstances? Reinforcing anti-choice messages and referring to ideas that were created with an anti-choice frame does not do the sexual and reproductive health and rights movement any benefit.

For the most part, the Westen piece is good and emphasizes some excellent points about Obama's - and any politicians - discussion of these issues. There is a fear factor in discussing abortion and other reproductive health issues in a nuanced and emotional way. In an effort to stay away from some of the more emotional and difficult elements of the issue, we tend to speak around the issue - making responses and discussions sound more complex and distanced.

Repeating anti-choice terminology and phrasing in order to reach common ground voters, however, will not help our issues gain traction long-term. 


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5 comments
The word abortion should never be used during the third trimester (28-40 weeks gestation) even to "save the life of the mother". It is called induced early delivery because the mother has a medical problem (high blood pressure, etc.). That means the baby will receive medical attention as soon as it is born. With proper medical attention all babies have a chance of survival at 28 weeks gestation. An abortion implies the baby is going to be tossed in the garbage. Problem is Obama didn't support the 'Born Alive' act in Illinois. He only voted present. This is a bill that NARAL supported and Obama couldn't make a decision to support it. Make me think he would 'support' any women who made the 'hard' decision to abort their third trimester baby- whether the abortion be for convenience or medical reasons. You know he doesn't want his daughters 'burdened' with any 'mistake' they might make. You add the comment that "we all agree that abortion shouldn't be used as a form of birth control"- but it is. And Obama supports that. He said the other night at the forum that he 'supports restrictions on late term abortions' but his record doesn't show that. Which makes me think he lied because of his audience- to make himself sound better (if that was even possible). Obama lacks character. He can't stand for his moral convictions because he doesn't have any. He is trying to float the way the popular wind is blowing. As another politician once said- "I have more respect for someone who supports their positions passionately, even if I don't agree with them, then someone who waffles and changes their mind every time you turn around." (paraphrased)
Submitted by Just another thought on August 19, 2008 - 10:57pm.
Sometimes the baby is not healthy, missing vital parts, etc. To require all of those babies to be cared for is not right. In 1964, when I went to my obstetrician with my second pregnancy, I mentioned that I'd wanted to get pregnant the year before but my husband wasn't ready. After he agreed, it took a couple of months. The doctor said it was good that I hadn't got pregnant the year before, that there had been a lot of German measles the year before, causing the births of many monster babies that had simply not been fed. Many times defective embryos are aborted spontaneously, often the mom doesn't even know she'd been pregnant. Now we have lots of methods to prevent miscarriage, sometimes causing those pregnancies to go full term when they shouldn't have. Let's leave the politicians out of it. The mother and her doctor can decide. As far as abortion for birth control goes, it is safer for a young teen than a full-term pregnancy. Early abortions are not murder, but everybody thinks prevention is better.
Submitted by Anonymous on August 20, 2008 - 8:29pm.
Before Roe v. Wade abortion was legal between a woman and her doctor for medical reasons. The very young teen having an abortion would be a medical decision with her doctor. Now there are an average of 1 million abortions a year in the United States. The three most common reasons for abortions are "Having a baby would dramatically change my life" (74%), "can't afford a baby now" (73%), and "don't want to be a single mother or having relationship problems" (48%) All that sounds like abortion for convenience not rape, incest or medical issues- which everyone uses as an argument. Why isn't adoption encouraged instead of abortion for the top three reasons? Instead of spending money on keeping abortion legal for convenience- why not spend that money on contraceptive education? Maybe we could lower the STD rate if everyone was told to use a condom and another form of birth control. You back up the education with "If you can't handle the possible consequences (baby) of your actions (sex) don't do it." I teach my kids that now in all areas of life.
Submitted by Just another thoughts on August 21, 2008 - 2:11pm.

The three most common reasons for abortions are

You may want to cite your source or provide additional information regarding the reasons women opt to terminate their pregnancies.  Most of these women already have children and list "Concern for/responsibility to other individuals." as one of the reasons for terminating their pregnancies.  89% of women gave more than one reason - the average number of reasons being four broken down as follows:

74% Concern for/responsibility to others

73% Cannot afford a baby right now

69% A baby would interfere with school/employment/ability to care for dependents

48% Would be a single parent/having relationship problems right now

38% Have completed child rearing

(can be found here)

All that sounds like abortion for convenience not rape, incest or medical issues- which everyone uses as an argument.

If it is your opinion that those are merely inconviences then you should never have an abortion for those reasons.  However, you don't get to catagorize what each individuals situation should mean to them.  Oh yes, and each year 10,000 to 15,000 abortions occur among women whose pregnancies resulted from rape/incest.  How can you separate abortion for any of those reasons - does the moral status of the embryo/fetus change due to the circumstances surrounding the intercourse?

Why isn't adoption encouraged instead of abortion for the top three reasons?

Because adoption is not an alternative to abortion - adoption is an alternative to raising your child yourself.

why not spend that money on contraceptive education? Maybe we could lower the STD rate if everyone was told to use a condom and another form of birth control

I agree.  As a matter of fact, I do not know of any pro-choice person who doesn't agree that we should focus on comprehensive sexual education in addition to keeping abortion safe and legal.
Submitted by Mellankelly1 on August 21, 2008 - 7:41pm.
The reason why the question: "When does life begin?" is asked of presidential canidates is because the President appoints Supreme court justices (which is the only way Roe v. Wade can be overturned). Pretty simple.
Submitted by Anonymous on September 10, 2008 - 3:30pm.