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"What If Your Mother Had Aborted You?"

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"What if your mother had aborted you?" It's almost always a question some frustrated anti-choicer asks after a presentation; I've probably been asked that question a hundred times. In the beginning, my answer was fairly abstract, philosophical. I'd note that the "I" who stands before them is not the "I" that was once a fetus. The I of today is the result of a mother who continued a pregnancy and the process of becoming that made me who I am today. But over time, I felt a need to give a more personal and direct answer, something about me, my mother and the relationship between children and their mothers.

I feel a need to turn that question around and to ask instead: What if your mother's life would have been significantly happier and healthier if she had not had you? If you as a fetus had the capacity to make decisions, would you have given your life for your mother's life, health and happiness?

My mother, Florence, the last of seven children in a harsh Polish immigrant family, left home at 17 and came to New York City. She got pregnant, chased the soldier who impregnated her and ended up with me. As you might imagine, she was an interesting and difficult person. Frankly, she never should have had children. She had her good qualities, but mothering wasn't one of them. And she had a miserable life. Four kids, two husbands, both of whom abandoned her and us. When the second one left, she had to go to work to support us: a low paying job as a telephone operator working the 11pm to 7am shift and a two hour each way commute was her lot in life.

That life began to change when the youngest of us graduated high school and I offered her a job as the head of the telephone appointment staff at the abortion clinic I was directing. The pay was better, the company included young, empowered women and she flourished. By 1980, she had moved to DC and was the practice manager for a busy orthopedic practice. Her pleasure and first time security was cut short by lung cancer and at the age of 58 she died.

As a fetus I would have gladly given up my chance to enter the world and become Frances Kissling to have given my mother a better chance at happiness. Far too much is made of a mother's obligations to her children and far too little of what a child's love for her mother means. If fetuses could love, I think they would be as passionate in defense of their mothers as born children become.

If we are going to imagine, as some do, fetuses as part of the human community, we are going to have to accept that if they could make decisions, they might be as willing to sacrifice for others as we demand that women and only women be.


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68 comments

Last year me and a close friend of mine got together and after a month or so she said to me that she thought she might of been pregnant, I at first dismissed this but soon found out that her insticts were right. We went to the doctor who confirmed that she was pregnent. This for me was the biggest shock and eye opener Id ever had and her too. After talking we both decided that it was for the best to terminate, this choice obviosly was made harder because the choice had to be split and not I believe that she thinks it was a bad idea and that I backed her into a corner with her choice, I feel I didnt but maybe I did. I am constantly haunted from what happened and subsiquently the relationship fell apart, I always think of the what if and the perhaps's but the descion was made and followed up. I guess neither of us will never know.
I feel that the description from Francis Kissling is a justifed one because if I knew that my mother was going to have less of a life and a harder one I would feel guilty, maybe I say this because it benefits my personal battle. before the aborstion I did think that it was wrong to do such a thing. I would say 'you should used protection!!'. But when the shoe is on the other foot you notice how different it feels, I believe.. perhaps selfishly that I now can live the rest of my life to a more controled style and I will be over the moon when the day comes when I am in a steady relationship and decide to have a child, I suppose the 'what if's' have left me feeling that when the day comes I will be ready. But going back to my point I think that there is alot of ignorance on this subject, mainly because its a TABU topic and nobody really want to hear or know about it, I guess thats just human nature though. I question the what if but know that we made the right choice, maybe just for me so I guess that makes me a monster. So to round up I think its like this. Every action has a concoring reaction and with each individual the story is different, we have different choices and options that have to be seriously thought through.. every case is differnt. As TABU as it is its a optionable choice.
I hope that people read this and think about what I have said, feel free to ask me if you wish.
Im anonymous not through fear but respect for the people involed.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 9, 2008 - 2:24pm.

to share your story. Thank you for doing so. You are right:

...and with each individual the story is different, we have different choices and options that have to be seriously thought through.. every case is differnt.

 

This is the point. I am in no position to judge you or your situation. You, as you wrote, made the best decision you could at the time and that should be enough for anyone. Good luck with your own journey; your courage in relating your story is inspirational!

Amie Newman

Managing Editor, RH Reality Check

Submitted by Amie Newman, RH Reality Check on May 9, 2008 - 2:33pm.

I have actually been asked this before when in a conversation with a prolifer and once when I went to get my own abortion being harassed by the protesters. I answered them the same I answer here my parents were not meant to be parents and I think if I had never come into this world oh well, I know my parents would of had better lives. They got married due to a pregnancy at a young age. My mother never had the means to advance her education and is now staying with my father for the security. They are unhappy and miserable people and I know that if they chose to exercise the right to choose, they would of been better off for it. As far as my own abortion, I know I did the right thing I felt it as a whole in my mind and heart that is why I support the right for all women. What a great post and an interesting topic to bring up. And anonymous you have shown great courage in sharing your story. I think the more we talk about abortion the better off we will all be.

Submitted by Liz Barnes on May 9, 2008 - 3:08pm.

This article is utterly astounding. To be so self centered that you would think a fetus should give up its entire life, untold years of contribution to humanity, just so that its mother would have an easier life. . . I just find that unbelievable.

One of the highest points of humanity may be giving up your life so that others might live, but IT IS NOT TAKING SOMEONE'S LIFE SO THAT YOUR'S WILL BE NICER.

This article makes me sick.

Submitted by E. O. G. on May 9, 2008 - 4:09pm.

Props to that E.O.G.!

Submitted by Vek on May 9, 2008 - 4:22pm.
E.O.G., All the article does is turn the question and ask that we all consider a unique alternative. No need to get sick, and the anti-choice/anti-contraception crowd is constantly asking us to "feel the fetal pain" ... why shouldn't we at least contemplate the fact that some would choose differently?


Be the change you seek,

Scott Swenson, Editor

Submitted by Scott Swenson, RH Reality Check on May 9, 2008 - 4:28pm.

I can see how some babies might choose differently, but THEY ARE KIDS. What this turning-around of the question does is ask us to imagine what would happen if we took a question of life and death and asked the most immature person we can find to make the decision. There is a reason that two-year-olds can't vote, and it's the same reason that this is a ridiculous thought-experiment. If you're going to abort your proto-baby, then make the decision from a calm place where you can be at peace with it. But if the thought of killing your proto-baby is really so repulsive to you that you find yourself going through this kind of tortured rationalization, then just don't kill it.

Submitted by some guy from the internet on May 9, 2008 - 9:34pm.

Her point is that if a fetus had the capacity to think and to love, that it would probably be willing to sacrifice itself to help its mother. That's about the least self-centered thing I've ever heard.

I love my mother so much, and I know that if I were in a situation where I could sacrifice my life to help her, it would be a no-brainer.

Thanks Frances, for this article. I too have had to answer this question countless times, and I'm looking forward to trying out this new approach next time!

Submitted by doublejen on May 9, 2008 - 4:32pm.

Sorry to break it to you, but life is not sacred, no body has a right to life - these are all just concepts created by the society we live in.
If some one wants a abortion, then yeah fair play to them - why should the mother suffer for a child she doesn't want anyway...

Submitted by Relentl3ss on May 11, 2008 - 9:52am.

Hey Relentl3ss, sorry to break it to you, but ALL life IS
SACRED, says GOD ! Jeremiah 1:5 ; Isaiah 44:2.
As you can see I am 100% PRO-LIFE !! If a mother doesn't
want her child.....let her give it up for ADOPTION !!
There are so many couples out there that would love to give her child a home ! There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR
ABORTION !!!!!!! I truely believe this nation is going to pay dearly for the murder of millions of unborn babies!
This country has allowed 40 million plus children to be
murdered ! Think of the tax money that is gone.
We talk about SS and how in a number of years it could be bankrupt. Well, guess what people, you've got yourselves
to blame ! Rght now we are helping to take care of the
generations ahead of us. By the time I and those around my age retire, there won't be much because there won't be enough people in the work force to keep things going.
We've killed them ! Think about this : From 1973 to 1988,
that's 15 years. Think of the number of children that
were killed those years. Now, had they been allowed to
live, they could possibly be in the work force,contributing
to society, to SS, and the taxes the Federal Gov. relies
on. Many could possibly be married and have families of
their own. Quite possibly there could be more young men
in our Military, helping to protect this great country.
WE WILL NEVER KNOW !! BECAUSE THOSE CHILDREN WERE NEVER
GIVEN THE CHANCE TO LIVE BECAUSE OF PURE SELFISHNESS !!
I mentioned adoption and I know I'll have someone asking
the question of how I know.
Well, I DO KNOW. IT's 17 years this past Feb. 18 that I gave up a baby boy for adoption. Was it hard ?
It was the hardest thing I EVER had to do.
My marriage was falling apart, I had 2 boys already in foster care, I had just started a job, the last thing I
needed was another baby. I could have very easily had
an abortion. Infact my then-husband wanted me to have an
abortion. I couldn't do that. So, I chose adoption.
And I have absolutely NO REGRETS !! I have seen him
many times over the last 17 years and he's doing GREAT !

I know I've said alot here, but I had to get it out.
I just don't see how women can live with themselves.
I do believe that each and every woman that has an abortion and all the Drs. and nurses that perform abortions will
stand before God with the blood of those babies on their hands. Unless they ask for His forgiveness and truly
mean it.

Submitted by Hess on May 12, 2008 - 10:40am.

I do believe that each and every woman that has an abortion and all the Drs. and nurses that perform abortions will
stand before God with the blood of those babies on their hands. Unless they ask for His forgiveness and truly
mean it.

I do believe that every Doctor that risks his or her life to provide these women the help that they need is a hero and will be blessed for their unselfishness in whatever comes after this life.  I believe that what a third party may feel about a woman who has chosen to terminate her pregnancy is completely irrelevant to that woman and her God.  I don't believe having an abortion requires forgiveness from anyone or anything at all.  I believe that each person is entitled to his or her own opinion about abortion and I firmly believe that opinion is relevant to no other person.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 12, 2008 - 1:10pm.

Amen.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 12, 2008 - 5:28pm.

You totally beat me to this, Frances!

I get this one all the time, and have been writing on and off about it for a little while privately to try to express a very similar feeling and a very similar situation. Suffice it to say, knowing what I know about my mother, her life, and what she really wanted but was not practically or lawfully able to do, I feel the same way that you do.

I feel all the more so when I consider that I most certainly do not see the priority and quality of a woman's life first being so short as to begin with conception and then end at the moment she becomes pregnant (and also see the profound imbalance in that men's lives are never viewed or treated in such a way).

I'll probably still write about it, but you're a tough act to follow. :)

Submitted by Heather C. on May 9, 2008 - 4:58pm.

My standard reply to these kind of questions from anti-choicers is that I beleive in reincarnation, so if my Mom had chose to abort me (before I was ME) then perhaps my soul would have chosen a different Mom/Dad or maybe I would have waited until she was ready for me(she was 18)and come back. These are my religious beliefs and they are just as valid as yours(to the anti-choicers) and last time I checked we are supposed to have freedom of religion in this country. Also, read Christine northrups book Women's Health, Women's Wisdom--in it she tells an interesting story of a little girl who told her mom that she was once in mommy's tummy but mommy and daddy were not ready for her so she had to come back later! No one knew she had had an abortion except for mom and dad and they did not talk about it. Until a fetus can survive outside the womb it is no one but the womans business what she does with the pregnancy.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 9, 2008 - 5:33pm.

Yes, I agree in reincarnation and that we choose our parents at birth. The anti choicers are saying that if you are pregnant, your only choice is to give birth, or you are a selfish person, and I take offense at that. There are many, many selfish parents (thank goodness, I did not have one of them!) who did not want the fetus they are carrying, and when it is born and is raising it abuses and neglects it. Our prisons and foster homes are full of such people, serial killers often were horrifically abused and neglected, alcoholics and drug addicts often had alcoholic parents who neglected them so they could go out drinking, leaving them in the hands of anyone.... etc. So sometimes the kindest thing is to have an abortion, because the world suffers in these other cases. My mom was unmarried and pregnant with me, and she chose to get married but she loved my dad, and she came from a loving, stable home, she was 18, and they are still together and had other children together, but she said to me, what if I had decided to have an abortion instead? I said, "mom, it was your life, and your choice, I guess if you did we might not be having this conversation and we both wouldn't have known the difference." She used to be anti choice for that very reason, but after reminding her many times of all of the women who died at the hands of a coathanger because they didn't have that choice, she has since come to see things more my way. If she had chosen differently, she might have been one of those women as abortion was illegal then and out of wedlock women were castigeted and abused by the very people who are anti-choice today. Most anti-choice people care little or not at all for the fetus, and nothing at all for women, they are selfish people who want to limit women's choices and force them into their one size fits all world. Who suffers? The rich can travel anywhere and get safe and legal abortions,(most developed countries provide them) but the poor will bear their children and neglect and abuse them or die at the hands of a coathanger if choice to abort was not an option. We must fight these anti choice zealots. It is one thing to personally not believe in abortion, it is quite a different thing to politically fight for laws to limit others access to it. We must educate our children to speak out and fight against these anti choice people, as we are the majority. 72% believe in abortion rights in some capacity, so why don't our laws continue to reflect that? Why are these people allowed to chip away at our choices? Vote Democratic! Give money to pro choice venues like Planned Parenthood. Don't let those with the fewest but loudest voices win- think of the young girls coming up in this world that you love, they deserve the right to safe and legal options if their birth control fails them.

Submitted by Jan on May 9, 2008 - 8:21pm.

Spirits do come back!  My youngest was bound and determined to be born to me and she beat the odds coming post-vasectomy.  I knew it when I was pregnant and I knew it the day a stranger came up to me at some candle party and told me that my youngest daughter had waited over eight years to be with me (she was born in 2001 and I'd terminated in 1993). I'll tell you, it was a bizarre thing to hear from a stranger, but I'd felt it all along.

 

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 10, 2008 - 3:20pm.

I'm in agreement. Many rabid pro-lifers don't stop to realize that their screwed up "sanctity of life" views are not shared by all - especially women forced to give birth to children they don't want. Most pro-life organizations, especially Catholic ones are all hot air and religious talk but when it comes down to it they don't offer to take the child of a pregnant woman and relieve her of that responsibility if she is not up to raising the kid.

The pro-lifers all live in a dreamworld especially those of the Catholic church. They live in a world where Jesus and the Virgin will make everything alright if the woman honors the "sanctity of life" and goes ahead and has the child. Of course they are nowhere to be found when the sh-t hits the fan so to speak.

Submitted by Sparkle on May 9, 2008 - 10:22pm.

Yes, let's relieve the mother of her responsibility! Let's kill the child! The mother will be alright, but the child wont. The child wasn't really human anyway, because he doesn't know how to love yet. Even though the child even has a different blood type from the mother, it still isn't human.
If you want proof that the child in the womb is human, I can give it to you.
I am Catholic. Have you studied the Catholic religion and its teaching on the sanctity of life? Because you have a warped conception of it. I'm 15 years old, and I understand it, and I think if you studied it you would too.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 9, 2008 - 11:38pm.

You are 15, you haven't even begun to live yet! If anyone has a warped conception, it is you, because you have been brainwashed by the Catholic Church. At 15, you haven't had the time to study religion in any practical way to apply it to life. You are too young to have a child and raise it on your own, should you get pregnant. We are fighting this war for you,and others like you. If you did get pregnant, you would see how fast your options in life would be limited. You would see what hell really is! Yes, I have studied religion including Catholicism, and have come to my own conclusions,and they are different than those of the Catholic Church, which I was born into and gave up because of the way that they treat women and try to limit their life choices regarding birth control and abortion. Come back to this converstaion when you can talk more intelligently about it. You need some life experience first, watching Juno and going to church and church school just doesn't cut it.

Submitted by Jan on May 10, 2008 - 1:17am.

Excuse me, but please don't say that I have been brainwashed by my own religion. Because I have never been pregnant, I'm therefore inexperienced and haven't begun to live yet, and haven't applied my religion to my daily life? That's ridiculous. I've been blessed with wonderful parents who have taught me how to live my religion, and also who taught me the sanctity of human life. They themselves have had nine children, including me.
If I did get pregnant, I would pray that I would never think of terminating the life of my baby, who is very much alive.
The question of age and the question of religion doesn't effect in any way the fact that the baby in the womb is a person, and should be given life by the mother, who's a separate human.
Can you please do me a favor and read this? It gives proof that the baby is a person: http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/abortion/ab0004.html

Submitted by R.B. on May 10, 2008 - 6:02pm.

I can't be bothered reading it, sorry. My previous post stands, and I hope that you don't wind up being a baby machine like your mom, she might have the right to that choice of having so many kids but I sure hope that we as taxpayers aren't paying for it in some capacity. A fetus is NOT a seperate person, or even a person until BIRTH.

Submitted by Jan on May 10, 2008 - 7:35pm.

So you insult me and my mother by calling her a baby machine, and then don't even bother to read why I think my opinion is the right one? wow.
And thankfully, my mom cares more about lives than about money.

Submitted by R.B. on May 11, 2008 - 6:32am.

Can't be bothered... you're as stubborn and narrow minded as the brainwashed catholics, if someones suggested you read something to understand what they think then it is not only polite to do so but also suggests a willingness to discuss and persuade rather than just banging out your own thoughts. Or at least read it to back up your claim that catholics are brainwashed, i quote "abortion is a clear cut evil"

Submitted by Anonymous on May 11, 2008 - 6:45am.

Yes, let's relieve the mother of her responsibility

The choice to terminate a pregnancy is every bit as responsible as the choice to gestate a pregnancy... the fact that you detest one choice does not alter how responsible that choice is.  You're going to need to learn to deal with that.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 10, 2008 - 3:24pm.

I actually don't want to sit around and deal with it. I want to do my part in trying to stop it, because it's wrong.

Submitted by R.B. on May 10, 2008 - 6:03pm.

Why don't you get a life, kid, or help your mom with all of the brothers and sisters she insists on adding to this battle weary planet. Stop wasting your time trying to preach to the rest of us, because we aren't listening and you can't even vote yet. Let me know if you feel the same way when you are 18 and have spent years taking care of your new brothers and sisters. Better yet, go get some real life experience, go on a date, go to the movies, etc. You really don't belong here trying to tell us anything, we have been there and done that, and you haven't even been there.

Submitted by Jan on May 10, 2008 - 7:45pm.

I have a nice life right now, thank you.
If what I'm saying is preaching, that's what you're doing too.
So in a nutshell, besides all the insults, you're saying that I'm inexperienced and immature, and you guys are, so therefore you have a right to terminate pregnancies.
If I wasn't sure whether I was pro-abortion or pro-life, and I went on to this website, I'd be pro-life right away, judging on how mean and rude everyone here is, even though they're all probable older than eighteen.
Yes, I will feel the same way when I'm eighteen. I already know from my mother how hard it is to raise children.
For the record, I don't plan on getting married.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 11, 2008 - 6:39am.
I have to agree. While we love to claim that the far-right comes here and is often less than civil, there is no need for those of us who are pro-choice to stoop to their level. There is no need to assume anything about this young woman's family, faith or beliefs. They are more likely to evolve over time based on her own life experience if people do not alienate her now. We encourage all comments to be civil.


Be the change you seek,

Scott Swenson, Editor

Submitted by Scott Swenson, RH Reality Check on May 11, 2008 - 10:15am.

Thank you.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 11, 2008 - 10:38am.

I actually don't want to sit around and deal with it. I want to do my part in trying to stop it, because it's wrong.

I think that you misunderstood my point R.B. - I was referring to this quote by you:

Yes, let's relieve the mother of her responsibility

Your opinion that a woman who terminates her pregnancy is not being responsible is incorrect.  Terminating a pregnancy is every bit as responsible as gestating a pregnancy regardless of whether or not you support that choice.  I certainly didn't mean to imply that you had to agree with abortion, merely that you had to deal with the fact that abortion is a responsible choice.  By the way, criminalizing abortion will not stop it... if you really are concerned with lowering the number of abortions performed, I would suggest you push for better, safer and more reliable forms of birth control for those who are sexually active but do not wish to become pregnant.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 11, 2008 - 9:52am.

Highly effective contraceptives (most notably the Pill) are already available and they've done nothing to cause a decrease in the number of abortions.
In the United Kingdom abortions are at such a record high that even some pro-choice advocates are disturbed - and the development of 'better' contraception hasn't done anything to stop or even slow down the increase in the number of abortions performed. The figures have risen steadily since abortion was legalized in the UK in 1967.

Being responsible involves a lot more than thinking hard about what the 'best' course of action is for 'your life' and making your choice based on that. This isn't about the life of one person. It's about the lives of a mother, a father, a family, a community, and - above all - a child. Another human being. It is not responsible to assume that your fears and plans for the future somehow override another human being's right to life, and to act on that assumption - even if it is an assumption that you've come to after a lot of thought. It's not responsible to assume that your pregnancy is a private matter that affects your body alone.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 11, 2008 - 11:47am.

So protecting the right to life over the woman's body should not end at birth. Its not any more or less about her after its birth - the woman shouldn't be able to override or put limits on a baby's right to life just because the resources that it still needs (or needs once again) happen to still reside in her body. The level of protection and support for life certainly shouldn't decrease once a baby is born.

 

I loved my mom to much to exercise 'fetal rights'. Thats why I stand with Frances.

Submitted by Janine on May 11, 2008 - 5:22pm.

Highly effective contraceptives (most notably the Pill) are already available and they've done nothing to cause a decrease in the number of abortions.

The pill is not a suitable choice for all women.  I happen to be one of those women who wasn't able to take hormonal contraception of any kind.

Being responsible involves a lot more than thinking hard about what the 'best' course of action is for 'your life' and making your choice based on that.

Your implication that a woman faced with an unwanted pregnancy thinks only of herself is shortsighted.  Have you researched the many reasons why women have abortions?  Have you spoken with women who have opted to terminate their pregnancy to find out how they came to this decision?  I am inclined to believe that you haven't.  As a woman who terminated a pregnancy I can assure you that this was the most responsible decision for all parties involved.  Perhaps this wasn't a responsible decision in your eyes and you are certainly entitled to your opinion; however, the personal reproduction decisions that I've made in my life have absolutely nothing to do with you.

This isn't about the life of one person. It's about the lives of a mother, a father, a family, a community, and - above all - a child.

I disagree.  The choice of whether or not to continue an unwanted pregnancy is between a woman, her loved ones and her doctor... it is in no way a concern for some third party with no stake whatsoever in the outcome.

It is not responsible to assume that your fears and plans for the future somehow override another human being's right to life, and to act on that assumption - even if it is an assumption that you've come to after a lot of thought

Again... your opinions about why a person would choose to end a pregnancy are irrelevant.  One does not "assume" whether or not they are willing and/or able to bring a child into this world, they know themselves well enough to acknowledge whether or not they are willing and/or able to bring a child into this world.

It's not responsible to assume that your pregnancy is a private matter that affects your body alone.

Just as a matter of semantics, that sentence does not make sense.  It is the very definition of responsible to acknowledge what the best course of action within your own life is and to choose for oneself between right and wrong.  Within the context of my reproduction, you do not (and should not) get to decide what is right for me... you may not believe that women are able to make good, informed and responsible reproductive decisions but I give women enough credit to know that they can and do.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 11, 2008 - 4:44pm.

The pill is a suitable choice for the majority of women.
Most of the reasons a women aborts a child is that she can't bear to give it up for adoption, because the baby is handicapped, because she isn't ready to have children, because she's afraid of what her family might think, because the father doesn't want to help raise it, etc. I do know the reasons. But that still doesn't make sense. A woman terminating her baby's life because she doesn't want it to have a bad life for various reasons is pretty absurd. That's like kill all the handicapped people and people in comas to put them out of their misery.
When a child is killed, doesn't the child in some way become everyone's child? That child would've made some sort of difference in our world, he would've been someone if he hadn't been killed. Strangers who had never met the child would've felt sorry that he had been killed because he didn't deserve it. That's what happens when an abortion takes place.

Submitted by R.B. on May 12, 2008 - 10:39am.

This will help you see how the baby lives in the womb:

When does life begin?

Biology is crystal clear that at the moment of conception (also known as fertilization), a unique, organism comes into existence. Since this new life possesses human DNA and is the offspring of human parents, it can legitimately only be described as human life.

Since there can be no question that human zygotes, embryos and fetuses are alive, some have attempted to claim that human beings are not "persons," until some threshold is crossed, such as viability, the capacity to feel pain, birth, or even the first year after birth. The merits of such notions can be debated, but it should be clear that they are not based on science but rather on ideology, philosophy or belief.

As far as observable science is concerned, human life begins at conception.
What happens at the moment of conception?

At the moment of conception, a male sperm unites with a female ovum. The single-celled entity formed by the sperm and oocyte (egg) is known as a zygote.

At conception, the zygote has 23 chromosomes and approximately 50,000 genes from each parent, which combine to determine all of one's physical characteristics, including , facial features, body type, and color of hair, eyes, and skin.

What's the difference between "fertilization" and "implantation"?

Fertilization, also known as conception, is described above. Fertilization occurs in the Fallopian tube.

After fertilization, the tiny human being travels down the fallopian tube. Implantation, which occurs 8 to 10 days after fertilization, refers to the point at which the baby (now scientifically referred to as an "embryo"), implants in the mother's uterus and begins to draw nourishment.
What are the various stages of development in the womb?

Many stages of prenatal development can be identified, especially in the early days and weeks of life when change takes place at an extremely rapid pace. The following are the primary stages:

* Zygote—A single-celled human being from the moment of conception until the first cell division
* Blastocyst—A human being possessing 40 to 150 cells in the shape of a tiny ball; the placenta will develop from the outer cells, while the body develops from the inner cells.
* Embryo—A human being from the time of the first cell division up until approximately the eighth week of life
* Fetus—A human being from about the eighth week of life up until birth

To this list of stages of human development we might also add newborn, infant, toddler, child, adolescent, and senior—the continuum of human life which begins with conception.
Trimesters of pregnancy

Prenatal development and pregnancy can also be divided into trimesters:

* First Trimester—From conception to 12 weeks gestation
* Second Trimester—From 13 through 27 weeks gestation
* Third Trimester—From 28 weeks gestation to birth

Abortion is legal at all stages of pregnancy, from conception until the unborn baby's body is completely born, at which moment the child may no longer be legally killed.

When does the unborn child's heart begin to beat?

A baby's heart begins to beat 18 days from conception, and by 21 days the heart is pumping through a closed circulatory system.
When can the unborn child's brain waves be detected?

A baby's brainwaves can be detected at 6 weeks from conception.
When do fingerprints appear on the unborn child's hands?

Fingerprints have formed on an unborn child's hands by 14 weeks from conception.
When can the unborn child feel pain?

By 9 weeks from conception, all the structures necessary for pain sensation are functioning.

A 2005 study published in JAMA and widely reported in the mainstream media claimed that fetuses do not feel pain before the third trimester. However, serious questions have been raised about this study, whose authors include a NARAL activist and an abortionists. This conflict of interest was not disclosed by JAMA.

What are some of the other milestones of fetal development?

In addition to the unborn child's heartbeat, brainwaves, fingerprints and capacity to feel pain, other important milestones include:

* At 4 weeks from conception, a baby's eye, ear, and respiratory systems begin to form.
* ucking has been documented at 7 weeks from conception.
* At 8 weeks from conception, a baby's heartbeat can be detected by ultrasonic stethoscope.
* By 9 weeks from conception, a baby is able to bend her fingers around an object in her hand.
* By 11 to 12 weeks from conception, the baby is breathing fluid steadily and continues to do so until birth.
* By 11 weeks from conception, a baby can swallow.
* Between 13 and 15 weeks from conception, a baby's taste buds are present and functioning.
* At 20 weeks, and perhaps as early as 16 weeks from conception, a baby is capable of hearing his mother's heartbeat and external noises like music.
* At 23 weeks from conception, babies have been shown to strate rapid eye movements (REM), which are characteristic of active dream states.
* At six months from conception, a baby's oil and sweat glands are functioning.
* At seven months from conception, a baby frequently "exercises" in preparation for birth by stretching and kicking.
* At eight months from conception, a baby's skin begins to thicken, and swallows a gallon of amniotic fluid each day and often hiccups.
* During the ninth month from conception, a baby gains half a pound per week. Of the 45 generations of cell divisions before hood, 41 have already taken place.

How can I learn more about fetal development?

Many resources are available in print and online for learning more about fetal development. Some of the best books and websites include:
Books on Fetal Development

* A Child is Born by Lennart Nilsson (Dell Publishing, 2003)
* From Conception to Birth: A Life Unfolds by Alexander Tsiaras (Doubleday, 2002)

Websites on Fetal Development

* Science for Unborn Human Life
* Just the Facts
* Visembryo

I'm not posting on this website anymore. I most definitely have not changed my views that an infant in the womb is a living breathing human being, but I'm not communicating in the right way and I'm just getting people angry, so I will not post anymore.

Submitted by R.B. on May 12, 2008 - 10:59am.

A haploid cell is still living. Every single cell is alive. Are we committing murder when we scratch ourselves or spill our blood? Is a man killing babies every time he masturbates (wait, don't answer that...Catholics think that, don't they?) or even has sex (for every sperm that eventually fertilizes the egg, MILLIONS die)?

This "scientific" explanation (definitely nothing like what I read of in my biology textbook) seems to be (correct me if I'm wrong and it's a valid, educational source - although the comma use suggests otherwise) skewed. For instance:

"When does life begin? ... As far as observable science is concerned, human life begins at conception."

That's not the question. If this were a reliable source, the question would match the answer. Assuming they just forgot a word, pardon using that for an example. However, if I'm right and you're suggesting that it's wrong to take ALL life, then see my first paragraph.

Sorry to all reading this that it's so disorganized, but I have trouble articulating this many thoughts in any chronological manner.

Submitted by KT on May 12, 2008 - 5:20pm.

But that still doesn't make sense. A woman terminating her baby's life because she doesn't want it to have a bad life for various reasons is pretty absurd. That's like kill all the handicapped people and people in comas to put them out of their misery.

Handicapped and comatose people are already born,plus the latter were sentient at one time. As an argument,this song doesn't even make the Hot 1,000.

When a child is killed, doesn't the child in some way become everyone's child? That child would've made some sort of difference in our world, he would've been someone if he hadn't been killed. Strangers who had never met the child would've felt sorry that he had been killed because he didn't deserve it. That's what happens when an abortion takes place.

No,it doesn't become "everyone's child". The opnions and wishes of third parties have no bearing on this matter. And then we come to the second song, the moldy oldy "the child could make a difference". Speculation looks like a compelling argument on the surface,but it is ultimately useless when looked at closely.

Submitted by ruthless on May 12, 2008 - 1:37pm.

The pill is a suitable choice for the majority of women.

Well, being that I am not "the majority" of women and that there are other women who are also not good candidates for the pill I still stand by my statement that the pill is not a suitable choice for all women.  I still stand by my statement that if one is truly interested in ending the need for abortion that they should use their time and energy in researching what can realistically be done to reduce unwanted pregnancy; and stop attempting to take rights away from women.

Most of the reasons a women aborts a child is that she can't bear to give it up for adoption

Where did you get that?  Adoption is not an alternative to abortion; adoption is an alternative to raising your child yourself.  When a woman has an unwanted pregnancy her options are gestation or termination.  Period.  If a woman decides to gestate her pregnancy she then must decide whether adoption is a suitable choice for her.

Further, studies done (and there have been few) reflect that the majority of women cited a variety of socioeconomic and family considerations as their main reasons for seeking an abortion. 

...because the baby is handicapped, because she isn't ready to have children, because she's afraid of what her family might think, because the father doesn't want to help raise it, etc. I do know the reasons

In all honesty, no, you most certainly do not know the reasons.  Please do what you can to find out the true reasons women chose to terminate their pregnancies before you start judging them for it (it doesn't help when you use inaccurate information as a basis for your argument).

But that still doesn't make sense. A woman terminating her baby's life because she doesn't want it to have a bad life for various reasons is pretty absurd.

I've found that when a person loathes abortion so much so that the life of the pregnant woman becomes irrelevant that person has gone to a place where most rational people simply cannot follow.

That's like kill all the handicapped people and people in comas to put them out of their misery.

Abortion is absolutely nothing like that and might I add that comparing a handicapped person to a fetus is degrading and offensive.

When a child is killed, doesn't the child in some way become everyone's child

What are you talking about?  When a person is killed (at whatever age) it effects society in many different ways.

That's what happens when an abortion takes place.

No, it's not.  When an abortion takes place, a pregnancy has been terminated.  Period.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 12, 2008 - 1:44pm.

Did you even read my reasons how a baby is alive in the womb? Everything you said was based on the fact that the baby isn't living.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 12, 2008 - 2:05pm.

Did you even read my reasons how a baby is alive in the womb? Everything you said was based on the fact that the baby isn't living

I have never made the statement that a zygote an embryo or a fetus is not alive and nothing that I said was based on whether or not a zygote, an embryo or a fetus is alive.  This is precisely the reason why reading comprehension is so important.  If you will please re-read my responses to your posts I would greatly appreciate it and you will clearly see that I included the specific comments made by you that I was referring to (none of which included me insisting that a zygote/embryo/fetus was not alive).  My retorts are all valid as they stand, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from putting words in my mouth.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 12, 2008 - 2:56pm.

I was referring to the very long post that I put up after it.
I told you before, I wont be commenting on this website anymore, so just read the article I posted about why I believe what I do. That will be more informative than if I told you myself.

Submitted by R.B, on May 12, 2008 - 3:47pm.

I was referring to the very long post that I put up after it.

I did read your post.  I am also very familiar with human reproduction and human embryology.  I've also been pregnant four times and carried to term and given birth three times so I am thoroughly aware of the process.  None of that changes any statement that I've ever made about abortion.  I still 100% support a womans right to choose whether or not to remain pregnant.

I told you before, I wont be commenting on this website anymore, so just read the article I posted about why I believe what I do. That will be more informative than if I told you myself.

I am sorry if you feel that you cannot comment on this website... I believe it is important for people to have an open dialogue about abortion but you must understand that people feel just as passionately about a woman's right to choose as you do about taking that right away.  Sometimes people get emotional about it.  I do my best to keep from being judgemental and/or emotional towards others when speaking up for women's rights and I apologize if you felt that I was being hostile towards you.  If nothing else, I hope that you will attempt to research unbiased information regarding abortion and learn more about the women who have opted to terminate their pregnancies.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 12, 2008 - 4:27pm.

Soooo, guess you want women to die from coat hangers, huh? If abortion becomes illegal, that IS what will happen. Oh, guess you want to make birth control illegal, too? What you do not realize is that YOUR beliefs are not in line with EVERYONE ELSE'S. If you don't believe in it, whatever, but what you have to realize is that it is not your right to push your beliefs on the world. Abortion is not wrong, and the US does not force you to have one. Therefore stop whining about how wrong it is. Get over it. You and that church are not the moral police for the whole US.

Submitted by Blackrose on May 12, 2008 - 12:03am.

How do I not realize that my beliefs aren't in line with everyone else's? I've known that my whole life.
Of course I don't want women to die from coat hangers. That's ridiculous. But I don't want babies dying from abortion either. Women also die from abortion, by the way; http://www.feministsforlife.org/weremember/index.htm
When the ists blew up the twin towers on September 11th, 2001, they thought they were doing the right thing. We didn't. But how dare we push our beliefs on everyone else? They think they're doing the right thing, so let's have them going around blowing things up and people. We can't push our beliefs on them!

Submitted by Anonymous on May 12, 2008 - 10:19am.

When the ists blew up the twin towers on September 11th, 2001, they thought they were doing the right thing. We didn't. But how dare we push our beliefs on everyone else? They think they're doing the right thing, so let's have them going around blowing things up and people. We can't push our beliefs on them!

Those people hated us for our freedoms... for our democracy... and if you're an American woman that just hated you for being an American woman.  They used their religious beliefs as an excuse to kill innocent people.  They would force their beliefs on us if they could.  Sound like pro-choice advocates to you?  Who is it that wishes to deny reproductive freedom to women?  Who is it that would use their religious beliefs as an excuse to deny a woman her basic rights?  Who is attempting to force their beliefs on others who do not share those beliefs?  Pro-choice advocates?  I think not.

Submitted by Mellankelly1 on May 12, 2008 - 6:14pm.

Sweetheart. Everyone isn't Catholic. If you studied demographics perhaps you in your 15 Year old wisdom would see this. Life is very complicated and the bible is for simple minded solutions to big problems. The same book you claim to believe in has God instructing tribes to cut out the unborn fetuses of it's enemies and bash them against rocks until dead. Perhaps you should actually read that book before telling others to follow it.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 12, 2008 - 11:11pm.

Look up Catholic Charities USA and get less ignorant.

Submitted by Michael Ejercito on May 11, 2008 - 11:36pm.

So what is the awnser?

Submitted by Anonymous on May 9, 2008 - 10:58pm.

the answer is no one will ever know this. No one has the right to preach to anyone in any situation. We are supposedly born with 'free will' in all religions so why is this actually an issue in the first place?
My mother was planning to abort me because i was told i was going to have a very rare, incurable disease, i was lucky enough to have been born without little complications but my mother nearly died giving birth to me. My mother is worth more than any comment or judgement and I would give my life up in a second for her. I'm shocked that some people obviously dont agree with this?
I too believe in rebirth, i was once a christian, brought up that way for 15 years but i now follow buddhist practice. There are many reasons for this, but doesnt anybody else find it a bit strange that through the christian church its male dominated? a woman could never become pope for example. sadly some people are using religion as an excuse to gain power.

We all have our own rights and as muh as I believe abortion should be the absolute last resort it should be YOUR choice.

This really shouldnt be such a big issue.

Submitted by Faithe on May 10, 2008 - 4:46am.

I am only 22 now and I too know that I have not really had a great deal of life experiences but I do think that for my age I have a pretty screwed of head and am able to seriously make descions. I can and cant really believe that so much anger has been brewed up here, not by all but some people really do get all hot under the collar when this subject arrises and even though its none of thier business, but Im a big believer in freedom of speach.. Ive said it before and will say it again, if any other person here or in the world were found unfortunatly into a situation where by they they genuinely cant or arent able to bring up that child (and I hope that doesnt happen) then surely that is their choice to make, the bigger issue here is not condem but to solve.If I chose to I could sit here all day writing about how the people who choose to abort were immature and irresponsible but this is as good as sitting on the fence and throwing stone at the people who are trying to reach you on a very different delicate subject. Put down the stones and climb down and at least try to see it from both sides. Its very easy to bundle this topic into two catergories, those being if you get rid your bad and if you dont your good but there world doesnt work like that. If you really couldnt and it was the last unfortunate option then you should be allowed to choose. The shoe does feel different of the other foot I assure you! I do understand the implications to the choice, maybe the child could of gone on to do great things.. maybe a genius was in the making and this genius was ready to change the world or maybe the child was heading for a life on the streets.. I dont mean to use the negative sentence at the end there for extra drama but the truth is is that its not a nice thing and will never be, there will always be anger facing this subject because of the nature of it. Its a very deliacte topic and one that if anything is to be said on it then the greatest amount of thought has to go into it and that means general disscussion like on here and the actual act of aborstion. Just because one person had to make a choice and they chose not to keep the child doesnt mean they are going to hell. Surely if God is forgiving and understanding he can then look deeper inside you than anyone and seek out the truth of the matter and judge you himself. Im not afraid of that day.

Submitted by Anonymous on May 10, 2008 - 7:54am.

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