Hot Air Author Says Best Thing a Woman Can Do Is Die For Her Baby
by Robin Marty, RH Reality Check
October 18, 2011 - 10:49am (Print)
Did the "pro-life" cause really need an actual martyr? The conservative website "Hot Air" has published a doting ode to Stacy Crimm, a woman who refused chemotherapy that would save her life in order to not endanger her long awaited pregnancy.
And anti-choice supporters couldn't be more proud of her.
Tina Korbe writes:
Crimm truly did have a choice: Even if abortion were illegal, she could have opted to receive chemotherapy. That she bravely chose to place her child’s life before her own recalls forcibly to mind why the phrase “a mother’s love” has such resonance. When we talk about abortion, rarely do we talk about the ache many women feel after they choose to abort their babies. Crimm’s physical suffering must have been unimaginable — and, yet, three days before she died, she was able to hold close the fruit of her choice in what Phillips said was a perfect moment. Would that her story might help all mothers see nothing is worth the sacrifice of their own child.
Crimm did have a choice, and acted out on her own wishes. But when you switch that to "nothing," including the life of the mother, is worth ending a pregnancy, well, then that's not really a choice, is it?
Now there is one dead mom and one very premature infant being raised by her uncle and aunt. But as long as the baby survives, nothing else matters, right?
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~ I say this as someone who grew up with these child raping wife beaters.
Women and little girl suffering and dying in pregnancy and childbirth is pro-lifer porn. ~
~ Pro-lifers do not give a tiny damn about me, my little sister, my mother, or any of the little girls in my family. ~
”Church excommunicates mother of 9-year-old rape victim – but not accused rapist.”
“A senior Vatican cleric has defended the Catholic Church's decision to excommunicate the mother and doctors of a nine-year-old rape victim who had a life-saving abortion in Brazil.”
“Police believe the girl was sexually assaulted for years by her stepfather, possibly since she was six. That she was four months pregnant with twins emerged only after she was taken to hospital complaining of severe stomach pains.”
“St. Augustine said, "Any woman who acts in such a way that she cannot give birth to as many children as she is capable of, makes herself guilty of that many murders."
Martin Luther wrote: "God created Adam lord of all living creatures, but Eve spoiled it all. Women should remain at home, sit still, keep house and bear children. And if a woman grows weary and, at last, dies from childbearing, it matters not. Let her die from bearing; she is there to do it."
Pro-lifers favorite piece of literature of all time.
Genesis 3:16
“I will greatly multiply your grief and your suffering in pregnancy and the pangs of childbearing; with spasms of distress you will bring forth children. Yet your desire and cravings will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
Totally sick. Now there is a baby with no mother. From the article it sounds like no father in the picture either.
Actually...the best thing a woman can do is LIVE...not "for" her children, but rather, because of them.
Found the comment that "this was all about her choice" really ironic, since the whole ProLife movement is dedicated to taking away that choice from other women and forcing all women in that situation to die for their fetus.
It's only a choice if there are other options.
The blog is actually titled "Hot Air"? That's perfect.
You are clueless because your commenting based on what Robin Marty wrote instead of the original news article which you'd actually get linked to if you went to the blog (someone's opinion) that Marty was complaining about. I wonder if you have the ability to think for yourself.
You are hypocritical for being "pro choice" and then demononizing this woman for choosing the way you don't agree with.
I suggest you reflect on what is wrong with your own life that has filled you with such hatred and why you have chosen this path of ignorance over enlightenment.
This woman was told by doctors that she could not bear children and yet at 41 wound up pregnant. She chose the baby's life over her own. Is that not her CHOICE?
crowepps is attacking pro-life people for saying it is her choice as the pro-life crowd is being hypocritical but this simply is bad logic. Pro-life people are pro-life. We live where the choice exists....especially "for the health of the mother" abortions are often forgiven but by the most extreme pro-life people.
Attacking this woman for deciding that her baby's life was worth more than her own is disgusting. There is plenty to attack the pro-life crowd on but this story isn't one of them. Abortion isn't exactly the best topic to hold up like it is such an incredible right to have to begin with, so you need to pick your battles a lot better.
I'm for abortion because the vast majority of women who have them would be having children who would be the future criminals and leeches of society. I think it is a more honest argument than whatever you clowns are spewing. The statistics also back me up.
If you are a democrat, you should be anti-abortion because if I was to guess I'd say 90% of aborted babies would have grown up to be inclined to vote democrat over republican given the fact that republicans are "pro-life" alone.
Sheesh.
Actually I think it is you who are clueless. I read the blog and yes, I realize that it's someone's opinion--but then again, that's kind of obvious, isn't it?
And yes, I do respect this woman's choice and that it was her choice to make. And I would've also respected her if she had made the other choice and terminated the pregnancy. Would you? You do realize that if pro-lifers had their way, there wouldn't be any choice at al?
And by the way, I'm not 'for abortion'. What I'm for is choice. I support the right of the woman to make the decision about whether or not to continue her pregnancy. I think it should be her choice and her choice alone and that it should be a private choice made without any government interference. Small government is what conservatism is all supposed to be all about, right? Until it comes to people's reproductive and contraceptive choices, who they marry, what they do with other consenting adults in the privacy of their homes, what religion they follow, etc. Yeah, gotta love that small government....
As to your remarks about whether or not you support abortion based upon how you think someone may grow up to voite, thank you. I think we all need reminding about the true ugly nature of the conservatives and the 'Christian' Right--you know, what you usually try to hide behind that thin layer of faux compassion. It's nice to know how you really are, and reminds me why I don't support you. So thanks for that.
I wonder if you have the ability to think for yourself.
Rest assured, we do. You, on the other hand...
You are hypocritical for being "pro choice" and then demononizing this woman for choosing the way you don't agree with.
Where is anyone "demononizing" Stacy Crimm? All I see is rightful upbraiding of anti-choicers who hold her in high praise for having made the choice that they feel should be forced upon all women.
(Oops, I'm sorry! I hope your homeowner's insurance will cover that strawman)
crowepps is attacking pro-life people for saying it is her choice as the pro-life crowd is being hypocritical but this simply is bad logic. Pro-life people are pro-life. We live where the choice exists....especially "for the health of the mother" abortions are often forgiven but by the most extreme pro-life people.
We've noticed that a significant majority of the "pro-life" people in elected state and national legislatures are "most extreme."
I'm for abortion because the vast majority of women who have them would be having children who would be the future criminals and leeches of society. I think it is a more honest argument than whatever you clowns are spewing. The statistics also back me up.
Hey, "pro-life" peoples everywhere! Here is one of those "pro-aborts" you've been hating on so much. You may now direct your vitriol and blather toward this person.
Unlike you, we support choice, including the choice not to have an abortion.
If you are a democrat, you should be anti-abortion because if I was to guess I'd say 90% of aborted babies would have grown up to be inclined to vote democrat over republican given the fact that republicans are "pro-life" alone.
Unlike Republicans, we don't hold political expedience to be more important than the lives of living, breathing people. Principles are funny like that...
You are clueless because your commenting based on
Attempt to use amazing psychic powers to determine the basis for another's comment: FAIL
I wonder if you have the ability to think for yourself.
Argument from personal ignorance: FAIL
You are hypocritical for being "pro choice" and then demononizing this woman for choosing the way you don't agree with.
Argument that thinking someone is religiously deluded and ignorant equals "demonozing": FAIL
I suggest you reflect on what is wrong with your own life that has filled you with such hatred and why you have chosen this path of ignorance over enlightenment.
Attempt to label another person, diagnose what is "wrong with" them and order them to change: FAIL
This woman was told by doctors that she could not bear children and yet at 41 wound up pregnant. She chose the baby's life over her own. Is that not her CHOICE?
crowepps is attacking pro-life people for saying it is her choice as the pro-life crowd is being hypocritical but this simply is bad logic.
The whole POINT of the Anti-abortion movement is to REMOVE that choice by forcing everyone to do the same thing: FAIL
My problem with the so-called ProLife movement is that it is pro-MOTHER'S-death: FAIL
Pro-life people are pro-life.
Most ProChoice people are not pro-death: FAIL
We live where the choice exists....especially "for the health of the mother" abortions are often forgiven but by the most extreme pro-life people.
Since you're not God, you have no authority to judge anyone, and no ability to forgive or condemn anyone: FAIL
Oh, Attacking this woman for deciding that her baby's life was worth more than her own is disgusting. There is plenty to attack the pro-life crowd on but this story isn't one of them. Abortion isn't exactly the best topic to hold up like it is such an incredible right to have to begin with, so you need to pick your battles a lot better.
Trying to equate "not everyone should have to die like she did" with an attack: FAIL
I'm for abortion because the vast majority of women who have them would be having children who would be the future criminals and leeches of society. I think it is a more honest argument than whatever you clowns are spewing. The statistics also back me up.
Imply abortion is pre-emptive capital punishment: FAIL
If you are a democrat, you should be anti-abortion because if I was to guess I'd say 90% of aborted babies would have grown up to be inclined to vote democrat over republican given the fact that republicans are "pro-life" alone.
Ignorance of fact Republican, religious and ProLife women get abortions at same rates everyone else does: FAIL
Thank you for harpooning that FAIL WHALE in your most inimitable way!
There's nothing wrong with the woman making the decision she made. That's what women's right to choice is all about. But the choice she made should have been a private one between her family and her doctors, not waived around like a banner of "true womanhood". What we find deplorable is that this woman has been turned into some kind of martyr for her personal decision, and that decision is being used to paint those who would make other decisions out to be selfish in comparison. How many women diagnosed with cancer during their pregnancies are going to look back on the publicity given this single case and feel ashamed at wanting to do everything they can to save their own lives? Pregnant cancer patients already have to hear "But what about the baby?" when discussing their treatment choices. Now their answers are going to be met with "Well you heard about that one woman..." Nothing helps recovery from a life threatening illness like being shamed for your desire to live.
Committing suicide isn't "pro-life" by any stretch of the imagination. (Not that anyone who calls themselves "pro-life" is really pro-life by any stretch of the imagination, either.)
I think that anyone who says they are going to commit suicide to "save" a fetus should be counseled as vigorously against suicide as any other living human being is counseled against suicide. I think that any medical professional or facility that supports someone's "right" to such a suicide should be vigorously prosecuted for negligent homicide.
But I think we all know that the REAL story here is that forced-birthers WANT women to die over pregnancy. Whether it's bleeding to death after a a septic, unsafe, non-medical illegal abortion; being allowed to die with the approval and under the auspices of a Catholic hospital that refuses to provide a life-saving abortion; or "choosing" to commit suicide to attempt to "save" a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, or fetus - the forced birthers LOVE DEAD WOMEN.
Wow this makes me so sick.
Apparently, fertile women are not valuable as human beings. We're merely disposable support systems for TEH PWECIOUS BABIEZ.
So sick.
You know what is worth the sacrifice of a "child" (note my use of inverted commas)? My life and those of my mom and brother. Screw sacrificing real people for the sake of fetuses.
