Ron Paul: They Put The Baby In A Bucket

if I became pregnant through CHOOSING to have consensual sex, I would deem it my responsibility as an INDIVIDUAL - not as a woman - to continue with the pregnancy.

So why do you want to deem this the responsibility of all women? The law, after all, kind of applies to everyone.

It is not a woman's issue at all (despite how many lovely slogans they throw around to divert you away from the actual issue).

I suppose you have a point there, but it's not the one you think you made.

Once you are pregnant, there are two separate human entities sharing the one body.  Science has proven this. It is a human being - not an organ, not a virus, not a fish.  A human being - quite possibly another 'little' woman.

Sorry, but it's not a "human being" until it's born. Kind of how you're not a "human fetus" anymore. (Sure, you can say you're a very old and ugly-looking human fetus, but that would put you in "I am the king of France!" territory.)

And regardless of what you call it, it does not have the right to be inside the woman's body if she doesn't want it there.

A woman is NEVER under obligation to have sex with ANYONE - including her husband.  If a married couple is in such a dire situation that they absolutely can not handle or afford to have a child, I see no problem in abstaining from sex for a little while.

What if they still absolutely can not handle or afford to have a child after "a little while?"

I will point out though that statistically married women are NOT the highest demographic having abortions.

So you have no problem with them doing so, then?

http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/post_abortion_syndrome_character.asp http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/effect_of_abortion.asp

When we say, "cites please," it's presumed that these would be materials accepted by mainstream science, and not the scribblings of a raving anti-choicer in a white coat.

David C. Reardon is the American director of the Elliot Institute and an advocate in favor of legislating strict barriers to abortion.[1] Reardon is the author of a number of articles and five books examining the controversial issue of mental health effects associated with abortion (see abortion and mental health). Reardon is a pro-life activist, and was described in the New York Times Magazine as the "Moses" of the "post-abortion movement".[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Reardon

I do not believe this nor did I state this; a woman's sole purpose is not to "breed" for other people.

Sole? But you do believe it is ONE of a woman's purposes, if the annoying woo-woo language is to be taken at face value.

A woman is NEVER under obligation to have sex with ANYONE - including her husband.

PREACH IT, Sister. Take this message far and wide...in particular...contact your fellow pro-lifer, Dennis Prager, with the good news.

If a married couple is in such a dire situation that they absolutely can not handle or afford to have a child, I see no problem in abstaining from sex for a little while.

Define "a little while."  And why would the "straits" have to be? "dire?"  Does a woman's own preferences, career and happiness and future figure anywhere in your calculations?

http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/post_abortion_syndrome_character.asp

http://www.abortionfacts.com/reardon/effect_of_abortion.asp

LMAO... do you honestly think this is an unbiased, scientific, medically-sound web site? You think this junk is based on any RCTs or cohort studies? Hell no, just by glancing at the references & journals this cute "fact" sheet uses in the first link, I could tell you that. "Abortionfacts.com" oh, gee, that's not a propaganda web site at all, noooooo...

I will point out though that statistically married women are NOT the highest demographic having abortions.

BZZZ, WRONG.  Per Guttmacher Institute's August 2011 report, 45% of women having abortions have never been married and are not cohabiting, so that would mean that the remaining 55% are MARRIED.   Mothers are the highest demographic having abortions, with married women right behind them and one presumes there is an overlap in the categories of 'married" and "mother."  In 2008, 61% of women having abortions were already mothers.  Since the initial economic downturn in 2008 through today, that figure jumped to 72% and is still rising. (Guttmacher Institute, NAF)

Once you are pregnant, there are two separate human entities sharing the one body.

BZZZZ, FAIL, I see you are having more Trouble With Facts.  A separate human entity would not require the sharing of one body.  That circumstance more aptly describes a "host/parasite" relationship. 

Every year over 1 million couples want to adopt a baby - yet there are only about 50,000 babies placed for adoption each year.  That leaves... hmmm... around 950,000 couples?

Great! So I'm sure one of those couples is willing to meet the price, right?

Actually I would like to one day!  I personally would be quite happy never being pregnant (though I am not against the idea, just not one of those OMG need to have a baby of my own types - nothing wrong with that either!)  But I am still in my mid 20s, so I think I'll wait a little!

The longer you wait, the more likely your baby will be born with birth defects. If only you weren't so selfish and self-centered on your career and not having babies and all, you would've realized that.

Yep, right now my measly career and little life is more important than that.  Again, why I am being responsible and not putting myself in a position where I could get pregnant.  If I decide to have sex, and end up pregnant unexpectedly, my priorities would change.  But right now, my measly little life and career goals are my focus!  :)

Why do you refuse to follow ["pro-lifer"] God's plan for your life? Do you hate Him?

This was just mean.  Just because I disagree with your opinions, does not mean I am not a compassionate person.  Did I say you were not compassionate?  I'm sure you are a wonderful friend, sister, daughter, etc - probably a really wonderful human being - you just have some f*cked up views, thats all.

You want to force women to carry unwanted pregnancies to term, and I'm the one with "f-star-cked up" views?

And for the record - the whole situation/her counseling happened 2 years before I even met her.  So no, I had nothing to do with it.

Perhaps you need to make friends with some of the women who have had abortions, and were glad to have done so.

You are actually very witty, and this did honestly make me laugh.  So I won't argue with you on these two points!  :)

Considering all the crimes against women that anti-choicers have committed and seek to commit still, we can use a few laughs around here.

This is off-topic, I know, but I wish just once that some of the people who come in here extolling the virtues of adoption would talk about adopting some of the kids who are now languishing in our seriously screwed-up foster care system. Many of them would love to have a permanent home with a family who loves them, but they're often considered unadoptable because everyone wants a baby. 

Every year over 1 million couples want to adopt a baby - yet there are only about 50,000 babies placed for adoption each year.  That leaves... hmmm... around 950,000 couples?

 - Source National Council For Adoption

Here's the thing you 'a woman's purpose in life should be to produce infants for 'loving couples' folks never respond to. There are LOTS of children available for adoption and under conservative rule there are more every year. The problem is that those 'loving couples' want a baby, preferably male, preferably white who looks llike them. The problem is that the folks who profit from stealing and  selling the babies of poor women don't have a large enough selection for their customers . The issue isn't your collective concern for children. Your problem is that there just aren't enough  pink, preferably male infants available to 'loving couples'.

Face it, you want to use other women as breeding livestock.

This will drive you crazy, I know, but women who have made this choice do not require your approval of what they've done, because quite frankly, it's none of your business.  And before you bring this up (as I know you will), it's none of your tax dollars either. Hyde Amendment. 

~ I just became an atheist a little over a year ago.

I was raised in the southern Baptist wife beating convention, and went to Christian home school. Many of the men in my family were southern Baptist preachers. The men in my family were consumed with female submission, they had a belligerent condescending abhorrence of any woman who was not married (under a mans authority) and had a way to escape pregnancy.

I have heard enough of their behind closed doors rhetoric to know they use pregnancy and motherhood as bondage to keep women subjugated. If women are going to attempt to be free, go to school, get nice jobs, divorce their husbands, have sex outside of marriage the Christians will just force women to breed themselves into submission. ~

~  Oh and I have been going to atheist websites and have made atheist friends, most do not support forced birth. ~

~You talk just like fundamentalist misogynistic Christians. ~

 ~ I do not have the right to go hook up to my fathers body and use his body against his will. I do not have the right to cause my father unwanted genital pain against his will to save myself. If I attempt these things he has every right to prevent me from doing it to him against his will. Yet I have physical and emotional feelings something embryos and fetuses do not have. ~

~ I am an atheist and I believe abortion and birth control should be free and legal the world over. One of the many reasons is because I was sexually abused as a child, and I had a mother who did not love me. My childhood was hell because my mother did not value me and could not take care of me. I spent my teenage years screaming at my mother telling her I wish she had aborted me, she told me she wished her mother had aborted her. ~

~ How very easy it is for pro-forced birthers to sign little girls like me up to live with mothers who hate us with a bloody passion and make sure we know it, and who allow us to be used as child sex toys. That being said I feel very sorry for my mother she has had a toxic life. ~

No, I just said *I* wasn't. Did you even read my comment?